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- What about regression W/X/Y/Z in MESA/Linux kernel/DXVK/Wine that makes games G and H unplayable?
- You're using the wrong distro/MESA/kernel/Wine!
This is something that I'll echo the other commenters and say that either hasn't happened in a LONG while, or may be a "skill issue" as they put, or maybe if it happens it's with games no-one plays.. I don't know, would be nice to see examples.
I have no issues, I'm running games under their native environment.
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Or you can install Windows 10 or 11 and have fun playing.
You know this isn't true. Drawing from experience, even WITHOUT using Windows for many years, I'm still "that guy" that my (somewhat small) group of gaming friends ask for help troubleshooting when things go wrong with their windows PCs. And it still happens quite often.
The latest was this week, a friend's PC was presenting a garbled mess for the intro vids when opening CS2, the only "fix" we found was to make it not show the vids. Maybe it's fixed now I wouldn't know.
One friend of mine almost never updates their GPU drivers, I tell him he's wrong but the dude has trauma. Another one couldn't get p2p servers to work in any game (aoe, zomboid, CS) and navigating 300 menus to change firewall settings in three different places didn't work (his docsys 3.1 router is configured correctly), the "fix" is that he's never the host.
This is just what I've had first hand contact recently - out of a small group. I bet if you browse forums you'd find hundreds more "isolated cases". I don't browse them, but that's a bet I'm willing to take.
- Everything works!!
- What about games A B C that don't work under Wine/DXVK yet?
- I don't play them!
- What about games D E F with a kernel anticheat?
- I don't play those either!
- What if I want to play them?
- Not my issue!
Linux gaming experience shines!
Our experiences are really different. Here and in r/linux and in YouTube it seems the sentiment is always "it's getting better" and "it currently fits *my* use-case, but it's not the right tool for everyone" and etc.
A friend of mine (not a "gaming friend", but also someone I helped setting up his TPM correctly cause Riot was giving him conflicting directions) recently asked me about using Linux, as he thinks it's much better suited for his post doctoral work (a lot of R). I said I don't recommend and that he would probably be better served by using WSL to try things out or at most dual booting - as LoL and Valorant are two of the games he plays. Another one told me that everyone who knows their stuff uses Linux (which I disagree) and said he wanted to try, I told him that he shouldn't and that this tool is really unsuited for his job (he does editing, compositing, some VFX work) as he actually needs Adobe for his work - regardless of games.
So I andany others say "yeah it's fine for what I need" and we all respect those who need different things. I'd really like to see those people who pretend everything is awesome, because I'm tempted to think they are either an extreme minority or just straight up strawmen.
Avis, it would be so much nicer to interact with you I'd you had a bit more respect and nuance. You can look at every interaction we have had with each other and you'll see what I mean.
I'm one of the most patient people I know, so even if you get grating I can still take your points and try and have a normal conversation. But the lack of nuance, over exaggeration (and the tautology here is intentional), short temper (sometimes going off on unwarranted rants, saying you're done with X or Y conversation or blocking people, etc) and etc, is what causes people to then engage in bad faith or being too terse and rude and then make you react with adding people to your block list.
If you don't mind I'd actually suggest looking inward a bit.
Exactly the thing someone with skill issues would say
Games not running/working is a "skill issue"? Dude, you could really go see a psychiatrist. And the other dude who upvotes your absolutely idiotic comments.
I've also added you to my BL. Enough with idiocy and zealotry.
I have no issues, I'm running games under their native environment.
It's you who have issues and as a big Linux fan you choose to deny them. That's a very common trait among Linux fans.
- Everything works!!
- What about games A B C that don't work under Wine/DXVK yet?
- I don't play them!
- What about games D E F with a kernel anticheat?
- I don't play those either!
- What if I want to play them?
- Not my issue!
- What about regression W/X/Y/Z in MESA/Linux kernel/DXVK/Wine that makes games G and H unplayable?
- You're using the wrong distro/MESA/kernel/Wine!
Linux gaming experience shines!
Or you can install Windows 10 or 11 and have fun playing.
So what? It warrants a massive 50% price increase? Go buy one or two. AMD loves fanboys.
It means there is a market for it and the fact it once again outperforms its previous iteration, something that Intel even struggles with to do across the board. Apple loves it fanboys more by the way, I mean which other suckers would suggest buying $1000+ devices for gaming to get less performance than a $400 console let alone a $480 CPU aimed specifically at getting the most FPS out of .
MacOS features native AAA titles. Linux has had none over the past five years or so.
CIV 7 is coming out 11 of February 2025 with native Linux support.
But hey let's talk about the performance of said games on MacOS shall we?
With the latest M4 Pro Mac mini (starting at $1400) we can get a whopping 139FPS at 1920x1200 in Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Now what can Linux get natively in said title? At 1440P 142 FPS on the 1080 TI, Apple on a lower resolution can't even beat Linux performance from 2018 and the simple combination of an RTX 4060 and a Ryzen 7600X could now easily beat that performance from 2018.
Man that is quite the "pathetic showing". Not to mention that it seems despite all these AAA titles you claim are released on MacOS, most reviews stuck to Tomb Raider and Civ 6.
Meanwhile games like Dragon Age: The Veilguard get Steamdeck verified (so playable on Linux) before it has even been released, if you were on Steam at the time it would even be advertised with being Steam Deck verified (no MacOS version though).
Games like No Man's Sky even mention Linux in their patch notes (for VR no less) despite not having a native Linux build because they actually fix things to work in Proton.
Not to mention that this has nothing to do with the argument that ZeroPointEnergy made; being that the Metal API, the only graphics API supported on MacOS, doesn't run all that great despite all of the synthetic benchmarks making performance claims for its GPU. For OpenGL and Vulkan it has to use compatibility layers like MoltenVK, but I guess you would only call that a bad thing if it is being done by Linux.
Continue to emulate when normal people run games natively.
WINE is not an emulator (I guess you haven't really been long in the Linux scene since that was the original acronym for Wine), neither is Proton. Just like how Birdie is not a kernel maintainer.
Continue to avoid games with kernel level anticheats.
Some people do even on Windows (I know plenty of people that stopped playing League after they introduced Vanguard) and a lot of kernel anticheats like Battleye and EAC have native version on Linux an work in Proton. Another Avis strawman classic.
Continue to fight infinite regressions in the kernel, MESA, wine and DXVK.
Implying Windows does not see regressions. God the Asus Rog disaster still makes me chuckle, imagine buying the Windows equivalent of the Steamdeck for almost twice the price advertising better performance only to have 1 Windows update crash the performance so hard that even Doom 2 from 1995 can't run without stuttering to levels of unplayable. Windows fanboys truly are on another level of absolute delusion, echo chamber and bubble don't come close to the alternative reality that Avis's "mind" resides in.
The Apple processors have a completely different instruction set. Their graphics chip is tailored to their own proprietary graphics API that virtually no one uses. It's a complete joke to even mention those products in the context of this thread. They are not even remotely competitive.
MacOS features native AAA titles. Linux has had none over the past five years or so.
Continue to emulate when normal people run games natively.
Continue to avoid games with kernel level anticheats.
Continue to fight infinite regressions in the kernel, MESA, wine and DXVK.
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