AMD Formally Announces Ryzen 7 9800X3D Specs - Should Be Great For Linux Creators

[ayumu]

And this new workstation CPU will actually be tested with ECC... right, Michael?

Right?

... right?

[jaxa]

For the most part, I don't understand the point of the 9000 series AMD CPUs. I suppose it's because the performance gains with Moore's Law have transitioned from exponential gains to logarithmic gains.

AMD, Intel et al. don't know what the performance uplifts (which vary based on type of workload) will be until late in the design process.

With Zen 5 there's clearly workloads where it will benefit >20%, and some of the changes set the groundwork for Zen 6. But it is perceived as a Zen+ moment by many, had a rough launch especially on Windows, and is/was priced high. The market will correct it.

[Anux]

As a Linux gamer, this isn't that exciting of an update over the 7800X3D.

That was to be expected, gaming was hardly improved between Zen 4 and Zen 5 so it should be the same for the X3D variations.

I mean that from the position of I'm playing No Man's Sky and my GPU is at 90-100% while my CPU is between 5% and 25%. My CPU is clearly good enough. My GPU, a 6700 XT, isn't. If I'm gonna be spending over $450 on a new PC component it'll be for a new GPU.

If you don't play games at 720p with lowest settings you will hardly notice any difference between any 8 core CPU from the last few years. The high end X3D are only beneficial if you have the fastest graphics card (4080, 4090, 7900) else you better spend your money on a bigger GPU and save the bugs on your CPU. That is of course only if you don't need the performance for other tasks too, but then still a normal 8 core would be much cheaper with no perceivable downsides.

I am probably confused and reading this wrong so correct me if I am.. But since the 5800x in 2020 hasn't Intel and AMD been releasing their competing 8 core chips at around $450?

Cheapest 8 core CPUs (desktop platform only, unless marked with HEDT) and the real price you payed ~ 1 month after release:

year	CPU	price in €
2011	AMD FX-8100	160
2014	Intel Core i7-5960X EE (HEDT)	920
2015	AMD FX-8300	120
2016	Intel Core i7-6900K (HEDT)	1080
2017	AMD Ryzen 7 1700	350
2017	Intel Core i7-7820X (HEDT)	600
2018	AMD Ryzen 7 2700	290
2019	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X	340
2019	Intel Core i7-9700	340
2020	Intel Core i7-10700F	330
2021	AMD Ryzen 7 5700G	360
2021	Intel Core i7-11700F	320
2021	Intel Core i5-12600KF (6P+4E)	300
2022	AMD Ryzen 7 5700X	300
2022	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D	500
2022	Intel Core i7-12700F (8P+4E)	330
2023	AMD Ryzen 7 7700	350
2023	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D	470
2023	Intel Core i5-13400F (6P+4E)	220
2024	AMD Ryzen 7 8700F	220
2024	AMD Ryzen 7 9700X	380
2024	Intel Core i5-14400F (6P+4E)	220

So essentially we have gone down from Intel scalping prices to ~ 350 € with Zen and to 220 € with Core i-degrade. Of course if you want the highest binned chip that excels really well at specific workloads you still gonna pay more.
But the fact that you could get an 8 core on a mainstream platform in 2011 for 160 € and Intel needed 8 years to release an 8 core counterpart that is reasonably priced is a whole other story than X3D costing 500 €.

[DanL]

I guess avis misses the days of $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Editions

[DumbFsck]

2700x launched at 329 from AMD but I would imagine scalpers messed up the actual price it was selling at.

Thank you. I did, in fact, not recall correctly

[skeevy420]

That was to be expected, gaming was hardly improved between Zen 4 and Zen 5 so it should be the same for the X3D variations.

If you don't play games at 720p with lowest settings you will hardly notice any difference between any 8 core CPU from the last few years. The high end X3D are only beneficial if you have the fastest graphics card (4080, 4090, 7900) else you better spend your money on a bigger GPU and save the bugs on your CPU. That is of course only if you don't need the performance for other tasks too, but then still a normal 8 core would be much cheaper with no perceivable downsides.

I disagree. I came from a Zen 2 4650G to a Zen 4 7800X3D with the same GPU, a 6700 XT, and the performance improvement and overall stability was a night and day difference due to the increases in the low end. By overall stability I mean better frame times and averages. The high end of the FPS didn't really increase but games were better and smoother due to less drops.

I value the smoothness that occurs from staying within FreeSync and 60FPS flat more than I do pulling high frame rates. The better CPU was the difference between getting the FPS lows dipping below 48 or never going below 60 with both 1080p upscaled in to 4K with medium settings and 3440x1440 with higher fidelity graphical settings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a better GPU that can utilize all 144Hz of my display, but when you've had some janky ass gaming PCs like I've had over the years, simply getting 60 smooth is a great feeling. I compromised to hell and back with my x5680 with R7 260X with a 1080p TV. 720p30 low upscaled to 1080p looks wonderful. I don't know what y'all's problem is

[avis]

I guess avis misses the days of $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Editions

I guess DanL has a perfect case of very selective memory.

Let me remind DanL of the wonderful AMD FX-57 CPU that was released back in 2005 at staggering $1,031. Or how about the Athlon 1000 in 2000 for mere $1,299?

It's always Intel that has abused its monopoly, and AMD has always been humble and never gouged. Oh, wait, they do it every fecking time when the opportunity arises.

AMD's underdog mentality will never die I guess. Not with this generation at least.

[sobrus]

I disagree. I came from a Zen 2 4650G to a Zen 4 7800X3D with the same GPU, a 6700 XT, and the performance improvement and overall stability was a night and day difference due to the increases in the low end. By overall stability I mean better frame times and averages. The high end of the FPS didn't really increase but games were better and smoother due to less drops.

I value the smoothness that occurs from staying within FreeSync and 60FPS flat more than I do pulling high frame rates. The better CPU was the difference between getting the FPS lows dipping below 48 or never going below 60 with both 1080p upscaled in to 4K with medium settings and 3440x1440 with higher fidelity graphical settings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a better GPU that can utilize all 144Hz of my display, but when you've had some janky ass gaming PCs like I've had over the years, simply getting 60 smooth is a great feeling. I compromised to hell and back with my x5680 with R7 260X with a 1080p TV. 720p30 low upscaled to 1080p looks wonderful. I don't know what y'all's problem is

The problem is partially on AMD side. My Zen3 CPU waited literally 3 years (since Feb 2021 until Linux 6.9) until proper CPU support in kernel has been enabled (pstate cpufreq driver + preferred cores). Truth is, Zen3 (and probably Zen2) works way better today than it did in 2021. Same goes for RDNA2 cards. Even today, they want to switch to FULLSCREED_3D in order to fix stuttering even on older cards. So it's not solved yet.
Waiting 3-4 years until your quite expensive rig works was intended is a little bit on "too long" side. Being unable to maintain 60fps refresh rate was just slap in the face. This is something Commodore 64 could do back in 1982 with 1Mhz CPU. But my 20TFlops graphics card with 16 core cpu couldn't. Nowadays it usually can. Usually.

By the way Unity engine has trouble with Linux/Proton CPU scheduling - causing stuttering ranging from minor (GTFO) to massive (The Forest).
The solution for any Unity engine game is to add this to command line in steam (I put here my 4 coolest running cores from CCD0, one can put 4:0,1,2,3 or anything there) :
WINE_CPU_TOPOLOGY=4:1,2,6,7 %command%

[DanL]

Let me remind DanL of the wonderful AMD FX-57 CPU that was released back in 2005 at staggering $1,031.

At least that was a product that actually performed like a halo product, instead of just being priced like one. Pentium 4 EE on the other hand...

It's always Intel that has abused its monopoly, and AMD has always been humble and never gouged.

Nobody said this here. You jumped right in on Post #1 and started thrusting at the strawman. Most AMD fans realize that it's healthy to have competition.

[rhadlee]

Happy to have bought a 7800X3D when prices were low.

A mere 8% performance uplift with the 9800X3D is actually not very impressive. Perhaps the alleged overclocking potential of the 9800X3D will be more exciting.