AMD Formally Announces Ryzen 7 9800X3D Specs - Should Be Great For Linux Creators

[DumbFsck]

I am probably confused and reading this wrong so correct me if I am.. But since the 5800x in 2020 hasn't Intel and AMD been releasing their competing 8 core chips at around $450?

Iirc, the first decent consumer 8c 16t consumer CPUs were also around 500USD (the Ryzen 7 2700(x)), in like 2017 or 18.

I thinkiavis is either impressed that AMD is able to beat inflation and tech development increases in BOM to still offer the "same-ish" pricing, or he's being sarcastic of how we can spend the same to get the "same", implying there's been no progress and that for 500USD we should get 16c.


My bet is the latter.

[mdedetrich]

What the hell is "Linux creators"?

Think workstation

[SSJBurger]

Iirc, the first decent consumer 8c 16t consumer CPUs were also around 500USD (the Ryzen 7 2700(x)), in like 2017 or 18.

I thinkiavis is either impressed that AMD is able to beat inflation and tech development increases in BOM to still offer the "same-ish" pricing, or he's being sarcastic of how we can spend the same to get the "same", implying there's been no progress and that for 500USD we should get 16c.


My bet is the latter.

2700x launched at 329 from AMD but I would imagine scalpers messed up the actual price it was selling at.

[fitzie]

wow, another amd ryzen announcement, that means we're just four weeks away from the next amd ryzen announcement. i do think that 9800x3d is a pretty good cpu for gamers, with better clocks and bigger cache, and if it brings down intel and the rest of the amd lineup prices down, then that's good too.

[cutterjohn]

Please AMD, I expect 9950X3D to have two 3D chiplets instead of one.



You can always support Intel with their 20 cores 265K priced for 400$. Or buy a truck of used Xeons from Aliexpress for the same price. At least you have a choice today unlike Intel domination days when any >4 core CPU was either pathetic FX or 1000$+ for 6+ core on HEDT platform.

this I would like, but I am not so certain that thermals would allow unless significantly reducing the thermal budget.. That said it MIGHT be worth it e.g. 7900 v. stock 7900X, etc.

I just hope that we don't have so many CPU variations that I have to do bridge 'BIOS' updates yet again... last time was because they egregiously underspecced the 'BIOS' CPU storage, and overall capacity.... which was 'remedied' by removing support for older processors...

EDIT: I'm ALMOST with sophisticles or quackdoc whichever the two of them are advocating the 'c' variants, which MIGHT be able to handle the extra external cache PLUS thermals given that they're already lower TDP... BUT all of this said OVERALL I want to see a new IODIE design that can be powergated to less than ~20W min power.... which MIGHT also be helpful with '3D' cache....

Of course I'd also like another 10 or so PCIe lanes, more SATA, etc. less nvme, less USB, but I guess Im NOT their customer there...

e.g. why do I need twenty USBA3 USB ports again?

also why is a $$250 x670e board having fewer features than a $90 x370e board again? And why did my $200 x370e board make that $250 x670e board look like utter crap? Hell a b30 board that I have has more functionality than that WAY overpriced x670e with stupid design decisions... e.g. metric fuckton of useless USBA, metric fuckton of AAARRRRRGGGGEEEEEBBBBBEEEE, etc. minus useful features like oh hey seven segment fault code would be nice and useful, rather than TWENTY USBA ports for example... another 4 SATA ports would also be more useful, another PCIe slot would be WAY more useful, etc. just a shittily design 'chipset' targetted at Im not certain whom, especially given that it's their top tier chipset...

OK, I guess fairly part(a SMALL part) of the blame falls on their board mfgs, and ASROCK did do things later like eliminating AAAARRRRGGGGGEEEEEBBBBB on some of their mobos, but changed not much else... (removing RGB lowered costs more that I thought that it would apparently... I figured that was pretty cheap but an easy target...).

[user556]

Please AMD, I expect 9950X3D to have two 3D chiplets instead of one.

AMD would dearly love to sell those too. But they've still to figure out how to reduce the cache thrashing that inevitably results when configured like that. My speculation is the cache hierarchy will eventually be re-engineered to achieve this. Possibly involving licensing from IBM.

[cutterjohn]

As a Linux gamer, this isn't that exciting of an update over the 7800X3D. I mean that from the position of I'm playing No Man's Sky and my GPU is at 90-100% while my CPU is between 5% and 25%. My CPU is clearly good enough. My GPU, a 6700 XT, isn't. If I'm gonna be spending over $450 on a new PC component it'll be for a new GPU.

It's not that this is a bad CPU. It's just not exciting when compared to its last gen model. If I was a gamer looking to upgrade from AM4 and money wasn't a factor then I'd be all over this.

For the most part, I don't understand the point of the 9000 series AMD CPUs. I suppose it's because the performance gains with Moore's Law have transitioned from exponential gains to logarithmic gains.

Skeevy do you always update so frequently? e.g. I e. I expect all of my machines, desktops or new build system to stay in service for 5y UNLESS there is an EXTREEMELY compelling reason to update sooner, or there is a reasonably priced upgrade path(which AMD offers w/ their extended socket support although I have, to date, not taken advantage of it)

I did stupidly purchase a 2700x after having pre-ordered and having replaced* an 1800x to not much of a gain, none realistically...

* first batch ryzens that collapsed on linux 'heavy' build loads... I was halfway tempted to keep that CPU but prices were higher than although the 1700s were pretty well as performant if overclocked a tiny bit which the vast majority could do...

EDIT2: skeevy even on my last upgrade which I FULLY intended to purchase a 5900X or 5950X I eneded up w/ the 7900X(thanks ucenter for including 32GB of RAM for 'free') even that 7900X never sees much CPU utilization in games, but at least my RAM kit now hits(even upgraded to 4x16GB sticks) of 6000MT/s whereas the old x370e struggled to achieve 2933... it could go higher and boot, but not stably, i.e. it would crash not long after achieving boot...

Plus the xmp settings NEVER worked at all for me, so the RAM timings were all manually tweaked, and yeah I could probably have tweaked it a BIT higher but I was f'it, I've wasted enough time on this, and I really don't have enough info to help tweak it further...

BTW hello fellow gamer, I mostly play open world survival games and open world RPGs... save my controller friendly games for my steam deck(in hibernation and about to come out) for winter, although I must admit that I don't game much over the summer months and spend more time outdoors as much as possible until environmentally dictated otherwise...

[Leopard]

An eight-core CPU at just $500.

Yay! Let AMD fans again celebrate how competitive Intel's ARL has turned out to be. Maybe now you'll realize you don't want any one vendor to trump everyone else because corporations are not your friends, they will start gouging as soon as they can.

I wonder if you were saying same thing back then when AMD was the underdog for the longest time and they (Intel) were doing whatever they want.

[skeevy420]

Skeevy do you always update so frequently? e.g. I e. I expect all of my machines, desktops or new build system to stay in service for 5y UNLESS there is an EXTREEMELY compelling reason to update sooner, or there is a reasonably priced upgrade path(which AMD offers w/ their extended socket support although I have, to date, not taken advantage of it)

I did stupidly purchase a 2700x after having pre-ordered and having replaced* an 1800x to not much of a gain, none realistically...

* first batch ryzens that collapsed on linux 'heavy' build loads... I was halfway tempted to keep that CPU but prices were higher than although the 1700s were pretty well as performant if overclocked a tiny bit which the vast majority could do...

EDIT2: skeevy even on my last upgrade which I FULLY intended to purchase a 5900X or 5950X I eneded up w/ the 7900X(thanks ucenter for including 32GB of RAM for 'free') even that 7900X never sees much CPU utilization in games, but at least my RAM kit now hits(even upgraded to 4x16GB sticks) of 6000MT/s whereas the old x370e struggled to achieve 2933... it could go higher and boot, but not stably, i.e. it would crash not long after achieving boot...

Plus the xmp settings NEVER worked at all for me, so the RAM timings were all manually tweaked, and yeah I could probably have tweaked it a BIT higher but I was f'it, I've wasted enough time on this, and I really don't have enough info to help tweak it further...

BTW hello fellow gamer, I mostly play open world survival games and open world RPGs... save my controller friendly games for my steam deck(in hibernation and about to come out) for winter, although I must admit that I don't game much over the summer months and spend more time outdoors as much as possible until environmentally dictated otherwise...

No. Usually 4 or more years between CPU and GPU upgrades. I had every intention of skipping AM4 but back in 2020 I woke up one day and my dual Xeon workstation didn't work anymore. Tried different ram, CPUs, power supplies, and motherboards. Nada. It just didn't work. My RX 580 and all my storage was just fine. Luckily that was the same week I got the first COVID check so I took that, some other savings, and what parts I had left to build an AM4 system. Since I had that system and was happy enough with it I had every intention of riding AM4 into the dirt, only swapping the 4650G and RX 580 with something better down the line. A year after that the RX 580 started going bad so I got the 6700 XT. A year after that I said fuck it and upgraded to AM5 with my PS5 savings. That PS5 savings upgrade on a whim because I came across a 7800X3D for less than a 5800X3D was the fastest I've ever upgraded a system or even considered it.

Funnily enough, if I was back on AM4, and especially Westmere, I'd be thinking that any of the *800X3D processors would be badass to have and would have been hyped up about the 9800X3D today. I'd have even have begrudgingly explained the $470 price point. Now that I have the best system I've ever had I'm a bit of a gear snob

[smitty3268]

These new 9000 parts seem to really push power consumption up, and from what I saw cutting it down brings considerable performance decrease (at least for 9950x which is really making use of 170W TDP). This is 8 core part, cutting edge 4nm process, and with 120TDP... I don't like the direction it goes...

The power is to allow high all-core frequencies, with base clocks of 4.7Ghz here vs 3.8Ghz in the 9700X. If you don't need the fast all-core clocks, set it to a 65W mode and you'll still have fine single-threaded performance just like the older X3D chips.