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  • Originally posted by coder View Post
    No, they don't. That's exactly the sort of thing the First Amendment of the US Constitution is for.
    I didn't expect so much naivety from you. Did you hear about the facebook censor scandal around COVID and the FBI request to censor the Biden story? Twitter censorship was also uncovered and if you were fallowing any mainstream media (youtube, NYT, ...) in covid times the censorship was obvious.
    Or the weapons of mass destruction lie that was admittedly spread by the CIA to help start a war.

    There were always some smaller media that told the truth but they were overwhelmed by mainstream propaganda. And that is all the government/agencies need to control the people. By the time bigger media starts to slightly cover stuff they were intentionally holding back or telling lies about earlier, the bad things have already happened and no one really cares anymore. If you're not punishing people for breaking the first A. then what is it other than words on paper?
    Dude, no. He's a troll and a scoundrel. He's so toxic, even Fox News had to dump him.
    Well that's an easy way to avoid listening to other voices and exactly how censorship and propaganda works. When people don't listen to others because of a label then they already lost the information war and are easy targets for propaganda.
    In fact, Snowden is a prime example of exactly the sort of story the CIA would kill
    And they did, just a bit more sophisticated than what you can identify as censorship. They drove a heavy smear campaign and now most Americans see him as Russian spy and national traitor while the NSA happily continues to spy on innocent Americans. And Assange had the same treatment (rape claims, traitor, etc). Not to mention both had/have to live in exile for telling the truth and uncovering massive crimes against humanity and democracy.

    if they actually were in charge of US media
    They may not be in charge but know how to use and control them, the end result is still the same for consumers.

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    • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
      And the only reason you believe that part is because people proven to be on the CIA payroll told you it and censored everything else.
      See, this is the problem. People feeding you this disinformation have inoculated you against the truth. That's why it's pointless to ague.

      Again, what I will say is this: can you truly ever trust one-sided media? The mainstream media isn't one-sided. They report plenty of stories that make people on all sides look bad. They don't have an explicit, partisan agenda, the way your right-wing troll farms do.

      Also, have you heard of Occam's Razor? Basically, you need some kind of wild conspiracy in order to explain why major media outlets from most major free countries all basically agree. Somehow, that's much more plausible to you than the possibility that what they're reporting is actually true and it's your right wing fear factories that are churning out disinformation and lies.

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      • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        Failure, unsuitable for high volume production.
        https://www.reuters.com/technology/i...es-2024-09-04/
        Yes, I'm aware of that. It lacks too many specifics to support any real conclusions.

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        • Originally posted by coder View Post
          See, this is the problem. People feeding you this disinformation have inoculated you against the truth. That's why it's pointless to ague.
          There is nothing to argue. You got doublethinked and the cognitive dissonance makes you try and avoid the conversation.

          The laptop had proof hunter was commiting tax fraud
          The laptop had proof hunter was playing drugs and guns
          The laptop had proof of the Biden families dealings in Ukraine, including corruption, Hunters "work" with Burisma and much more besides.

          The laptop made all that public, of course insiders knew about it before.

          The first two has him looking at a long jail term, the later is likely to remain being censored

          yet you said:
          Originally posted by coder View Post
          His laptop was a nothing burger, but Right Wing media has created all kinds of conspiracy theories around it.

          and your source for that is?
          No need to answer btw, its a rhetorical question, everyone knows but you.
          Last edited by mSparks; 16 October 2024, 07:28 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Anux View Post
            I didn't expect so much naivety from you.
            Whatever, bro.

            Originally posted by Anux View Post
            ​Did you hear about the facebook censor scandal around COVID and the FBI request to censor the Biden story?
            That was a nothing burger, as came out in congressional testimony. If you didn't follow right-wing media, you'd know that. They won't show you anything that contradicts their own narrative.

            Originally posted by Anux View Post
            ​​Or the weapons of mass destruction lie that was admittedly spread by the CIA to help start a war.
            Did I not basically say as much? Cheney suppressed people in the UN (and CIA analysts) who know there wasn't evidence to support the WMD claims and pressured Colin Powell to make the fateful UN speech. Powell was given an edited slide deck, but it's not clear exactly who edited them. I wouldn't say it wasn't someone in the CIA, but there were CIA analysts who late came forward and disclosed that the information they compiled for him had been altered.

            Originally posted by Anux View Post
            ​​​Well that's an easy way to avoid listening to other voices and exactly how censorship and propaganda works.
            When people don't listen to others because of a label then they already lost the information war and are easy targets for propaganda.
            If you watch him for a bit, you can easily see that he's a partisan hack and a troll.

            Look, I have no problem listening to people with an honest difference of perspective. However, it's got to be someone making good faith arguments and taking the evidence on merit. Carlson is not that. He's basically a clown who whips people up into a frenzy.

            Originally posted by Anux View Post
            ​And they did, just a bit more sophisticated than what you can identify as censorship. They drove a heavy smear campaign and now most Americans see him as Russian spy and national traitor while the NSA happily continues to spy on innocent Americans.
            I disagree. Sure, the national security types and government PR people have a tendency to highlight how he "fled to Russia", rather than acknowledging that he basically got stuck there. And not enough mention is made of his offer to return and stand trial, if he's allowed to make a "public interest defense". I'm with you on that. However, this wasn't government pressuring the media.

            Originally posted by Anux View Post
            ​​And Assange had the same treatment (rape claims, traitor, etc).
            Assange somehow seems to have a better public image than Snowden, in spite of being a megalomaniac that a lot of his own Wikileaks folks even fell out with. What he did and the way he did it is far less defensible and more irresponsible than Snowden. It pretty much bugs me to no end that Assange has come out of this looking better, just because one of the first and only things people know him for is the leaked gunship video.

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            • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
              There is nothing to argue. You got doublethinked and the cognitive dissonance makes you try and avoid the conversation.
              No.

              Originally posted by mSparks View Post
              ​The first two has him looking at a long jail term, the later is likely to remain being censored

              The laptop is basically just an empty just an "empty vessel" the QAnon types can fill with whatever they want. If the facts don't line up behind it, they just claim they're being censored.

              Also, the Republican-lead House tried to impeach Joe Biden, but it utterly failed. Why? Not because this evidence was censored, but because it doesn't even exist!
              Last edited by coder; 16 October 2024, 08:59 AM.

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              • Originally posted by coder View Post
                That was a nothing burger, as came out in congressional testimony.
                What does this mean? The censorship has happened and no one from the government or agencies had to face any consequences and I bet it goes on as always.
                If you didn't follow right-wing media, you'd know that.
                How would I know more by reading less different media? Guardian and many other media had articles, are they also right-wing (I don't really care about wings and more about content)?

                Powell was given an edited slide deck, but it's not clear exactly who edited them.
                Well isn't that convenient? No one knows, everything is secret and we sadly can't punish anyone for it. But in the end it was just a little war, nothing too serious and those few 100000 who died were random non US citizens, it happens *shrug*. And it is totally different from Russia invading Ukraine because they are the bad ones and we are the good. For sure!

                If you watch him for a bit, you can easily see that he's a partisan hack and a troll.
                Partisan hack means he is biased by his political views? Well as is any other news writer/publisher, that's why reading more different sources is better than less.
                I only know him from the Putin "interview" (well he recorded a speach from him) and how everyone got mad at him. Meanwhile no other journalists even tried to do its job of listening to all sides.

                have a tendency to highlight how he "fled to Russia", rather than acknowledging that he basically got stuck there
                No he didn't "get stuck" he actually fled from US because of the political repressions and got denied protection under refugee rights in all western countries. Meanwhile we point with our fingers to the east and tell everyone how bad it is there with all the political repressions and how proud we should be of our democracy and we should bring democracy to every village of the world, with deadly force of course.

                Father: You're gonna make the world safe for democracy!
                Joe : What is democracy?
                Father: Well it's never bright clear on myself. Like any other kind government it's got something to do with young men killing each other I believe.
                Joe: When it comes my turn, will you want me to go?
                Father: For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.
                From "Johnny Got His Gun"

                What he did and the way he did it is far less defensible and more irresponsible
                See what I mean, instead of starting a revolution against the government/agencies everyone tries to shoot the messenger. And all the horrible crimes continue uninterrupted. That is exactly how you control your population while committing crimes in plain sight.

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                • Originally posted by coder View Post
                  No.


                  The laptop is basically just an empty just an "empty vessel" the QAnon types can fill with whatever they want. If the facts don't line up behind it, they just claim they're being censored.

                  Also, the Republican-lead House tried to impeach Joe Biden, but it utterly failed. Why? Not because this evidence was censored, but because it doesn't even exist!
                  The laptop is 100% proof those things were being censored before the laptop became public. Your comment is evidence they also did a very good job of censoring it after the laptop became public. Because despite now that the vast majority already being proven in court, and live court cases ongoing for the rest, you still insist the laptop wasnt important.

                  qanon is a cia disinfo campaign btw. designed to make their official lies more credible by limiting the alternative narrative to one that is even less credible.

                  This also has nothing to do with left or right wing politics, Its about a very criminal establishment vs people with a higher moral standard.

                  And to link all this back to how we got side tracked, all this background applies to what you seem to believe about Taiwan, TMSC, SMIC and EUV.
                  Last edited by mSparks; 16 October 2024, 10:36 AM.

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                  • Are these tests a reliable representation of what the processors will actually be bought for? It won't matter if AMD is better at blender if the majority of large customers want processors good at something the intel processors are good at, for example.

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                    • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                      The laptop is 100% proof those things were being censored before the laptop became public.
                      You never examined the laptop. All you know about it is what you've been told by your unreliable sources. They could've told you anything about it, and you'd believe it.

                      Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                      ​qanon is a cia disinfo campaign btw. designed to make their official lies more credible by limiting the alternative narrative to one that is even less credible.
                      It's definitely not, but that was at least amusing.

                      Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                      ​​This also has nothing to do with left or right wing politics, Its about a very criminal establishment vs people with a higher moral standard.
                      What it has to do with, is that if the laptop had the evidence you claim, the House Republicans would've used it in their impeachment. Some of them read the same disinformation as you and believed it contained such things, but when it came to actually producing the evidence, they came up empty.

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