Intel Announces Core Ultra 200S Arrow Lake CPUs

[Luke_Wolf]

Tangential, but I've been super disappointed in looking over some AMD X870 / X870E motherboards. They have really tried to ratchet up things like additional PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots, but you better pay close attention to what gets downgraded or completely disabled based on what you plan to use. Crap tons of shared bandwidth caveats that are worse than what we saw with X670E. PCIe lanes don't grow on trees.

Make sure you look at the back panels too, they're playing the same disgusting USB 2.0 games on a lot of these boards which is absolutely ridiculous in 2024. I could tolerate them being base spec USB 3.0 but making them be USB 2.0 is pretty insulting.

[Phoronos]

Benchmarks ?

[Michael]

Benchmarks ?

As noted, the review embargo hasn't passed yet...

[Phoronos]

As noted, the review embargo hasn't passed yet...

ok thanks ..Let's hope you will test them soon.

[coder]

Do these get AVX512 or not?

No. Client CPUs will get AVX10/256, only. But these don't even have that much. They're stuck with AVX2.

Probably less exciting for scientific workloads with the lack of AVX-512 though.

They Skymont E-cores have vastly improved floating-point performance, compared to the Gracemont and Crestmont E-cores in prior generations.

[coder]

This is a winning strategy and compelling selling point, the same performance at half the power consumption and faster with less execution resources.

It's good, but not good enough. Gamerz will be too disappointed with its gaming performance and either won't upgrade or might switch to Ryzen 9800X3D.

now lets see how good are these vs amd 9000 for power consumption and performance/watt

They're on a smaller manufacturing node than Ryzen 9000. If they can't at least beat it on efficiency, Intel definitely did something wrong!

[coder]

If these are anything like the recent Xeons it’s going to be a very interesting generation

These have one generation newer P-cores and E-cores than Xeon 6 (i.e. Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids). They're also made on a full step smaller process node.

[muncrief]

No performance improvement? That's crazy. Especially since the Intel 13th and 14th generation CPUs spontaneously destroy themselves.

However for the few who don't need more performance from the latest gen CPU, just less power consumption, I guess a few might sell.

But since the 13th/14th gen fiasco I've been able to convince 3 clients to switch from Intel to AMD, which rarely used to happen. In fact I'm receiving the parts for an all AMD gaming desktop build today. It's a first time client, but all I had to do was send them some links about the Intel meltdowns and they didn't argue at all about going pure AMD.

[coder]

Especially since the Intel 13th and 14th generation CPUs spontaneously destroy themselves.

Intel promises their latest mitigation fixes the problem. Believe them at your own risk.

https://wccftech.com/intel-14th-13th-gen-cpu-instability-issues-solved-confirms-0x12b-as-final-mitigation/

I had long regarded Intel as the "safe" choice, for reliability. Those days are now in the past.

[uid313]

Given that this is the first true new uArch from Intel since 2021, the new P core just fell short.

I've no other words to describe ARL.

You don't release a new gen of CPUs that basically matches the previous gen performance wise.

Even when Intel rehashed SkyLake over and over again, they posted higher gains for the same period of time.

I am fine with a new generation with the same performance as the previous generation if it brings something else to the table such as faster GPU performance, lower energy consumption and less heat production.