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  • Keats
    Phoronix Member
    • Apr 2021
    • 65

    #31
    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

    Let's be honest with ourselves, AMD makes bench-marking CPUs that look good in a review when just looking at charts,

    When you want reliability you buy Intel.
    If you want reliability you don't touch intel with a 10-foot pole.

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    • Adarion
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 2063

      #32
      Oh, well. The usual flamewar.

      In any case: IF some issue was found it is fine that AMD fixes it prior to any end user contact. Maybe they found some issue that does not easily come up, or some board partner found something. However, and that is also in any case, the delay might force intel's new microcode to be already out - when benchmarks get on. And somehow I have a feeling that intels microcode update might not be improving their 13th/14th generation in terms of benchmarks. So then we would have a more realistic comparison. Few people even brought up the idea, that it might be an artificial delay (not cause by a real issue), just to have that very update out before AMD releases things that get benchmarked.
      But either way, releasing matured stuff is always better than juggling with issues once it is already on the boards of many end users.
      Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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      • KDE_FOREVER
        Banned
        • Jul 2024
        • 158

        #33
        Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
        During final checks, we found the initial production units that were shipped to our channel partners did not meet our full quality expectations

        Mark my words, these will be buggy pieces of garbage and no one should buy them.

        These companies have many stages of quality assurance and the fact that they didn't catch it until after the first production run was already shipped to "channel partners" is worrying.

        Take a hard pass on this gen folks.
        your psychiatrist is marking your words very carefully.
        after all, he/she can make career of you
        Last edited by KDE_FOREVER; 25 July 2024, 04:19 AM.

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        • KDE_FOREVER
          Banned
          • Jul 2024
          • 158

          #34
          Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

          Except this actually is a broken product.

          A fool and his money are soon parted.
          only thing broken here is you

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          • KDE_FOREVER
            Banned
            • Jul 2024
            • 158

            #35
            Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

            Let's be honest with ourselves, AMD makes bench-marking CPUs that look good in a review when just looking at charts,

            When you want reliability you buy Intel.
            let's be honest, you know nothing and you understand nothing

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            • KDE_FOREVER
              Banned
              • Jul 2024
              • 158

              #36
              Originally posted by coder View Post
              Okay, words marked.

              I hope you're getting paid to carry water for Intel like that, bro.
              he gets peanuts from intel and peanuts from microcrap and still has to beg on the streets to pay for the rent

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              • KDE_FOREVER
                Banned
                • Jul 2024
                • 158

                #37
                Originally posted by coder View Post
                You really can't say that unironically, in the face of the current Raptor Lake degradation fiasco.
                It's an unmitigated disaster... at least for nearly another month.
                Don't feed the troll. Just tell him the truth: that he is pathetic maggot

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                • KDE_FOREVER
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2024
                  • 158

                  #38
                  Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
                  Maybe I should have said ...
                  you should not have said anything. Ever

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                  • coder
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 8930

                    #39
                    Originally posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
                    Intel does get credit for being transparent.
                    They've been about as transparent as mud. They didn't say anything for over a year, and then it felt like we kept getting the run-around. A recently-leaked internal memo, published by Igor's Lab, shows that Intel still isn't 100% confident in their assessment of the root cause and is continuing to search, in spite of their public messaging on the issue.

                    Since you're obviously not well-informed on the issue, here's a nice timeline put together by WCCFTech. I don't compliment them for many things, but they've done a pretty good job covering this issue.

                    Originally posted by WCCFTech
                    So far, here's the timeline of Intel's 14th & 13th Gen Instability issues:
                    • [Dec 2022] The first instances of "Out of Video Memory" issues on 13th Gen Core i9 CPUs were reported back in 2022. (Source: Reddit). This is a few months after the release of Intel's 13th Gen CPUs & RTX 40 GPUs.
                    • [Throughout 2023] Several users have started reporting game crashes and issues in high-profile AAA titles such as Callisto Protocol and Hogwarts Legacy (among many others). Both tiles are based on Unreal Engine (released in 2023) and feature a shader compilation process at the start. There are currently thousands of such issues reported on Steam Community Forums and Reddit.
                    • [February 2024] A post by Sebastian Castellanos brings the issue to the limelight, highlighting the "worrying trend" of stability issues affecting 14th and 13th-gen CPUs.
                    • [February 2024] Our editor along with various other tech outlets start reporting the issue and bringing the matter on to the mainstream media. Quickly, it is pointed out that underclocking and undervolting the chips can result in better stability.
                    • [April 2024] NVIDIA Issued a formal statement that the stability issues are not related to its GPUs but rather Intel CPUs.
                    • [April 2024] Intel announces its investigation of the reports of instability issues affecting 13th and 14th Gen CPUs.
                    • [April 2024] Motherboard makers quickly roll out "Baseline" power profiles in new BIOS, which lower power limits on high-end 14th & 13th Gen CPUs but also lead to significant performance drops.
                    • [May 2024] Intel releases a statement, recommending motherboard makers to ship "Intel Default Settings" in BIOS by default rather than customized settings.
                    • [June 2024] Intel discovers a bug within its eTVB microcode while investigating the root cause of 14th and 13th Gen Instability issues. This doesn't fix the instability problems. Board makers quickly roll out BIOS with a new microcode fix.
                    • [July 2024] Intel denies an RMA to HardwareTimes editor who already RMA'd at least two CPUs which produced instability issues.
                    • [July 2024] Wendell from Level1Techs & Steve Burke from GamersNexus are the first big tech media outlets on YouTube to further highlight the instability issues, diving into additional details such as OEM frustration with the matter and a possible recall.
                    • [July 2024] GamersNexus highlights a potential "oxidation" defect being a problem with a certain batch of Intel 14th & 13th Gen CPUs that might lead to instability problems.
                    • [July 2024] Intel says the 14th & 13th Gen Mobile CPUs are not affected by the same instability issues as the desktop CPUs.
                    • [July 2024] Intel issues a statement confirming that they have found the root cause of the instability issues which happen to be elevated operating voltages and will be issuing a new microcode fix to its partners by mid of August

                    Check out the article, for much more:

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                    • coder
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2014
                      • 8930

                      #40
                      Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
                      Maybe I should have said "if you want something that looks good in benchmarks get AMD, if you want reliability get Intel Xeon".
                      I'd have agreed with this statement, in the past, but there's reason to suspect their Xeon E-2400 CPUs might be affected by the same issue. For that matter, it could even be affecting Emerald Rapids, for all we know.

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