AMD Ryzen 9000 Series Launch Delayed To August

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  • WannaBeOCer
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 309

    #21
    Originally posted by coder View Post
    Nope. Intel doesn't get credit for fixing this, yet.

    When you have to cite a 4-year-old video, it's a clue that you might be living in the past.

    AMD isn't the same company it was, 4 years ago. The company was badly diminished by its financial problems that only started to turn around after the launch of Zen (realistically, it took until Zen 2 before AMD really started regaining market traction). Michael has been reporting on how AMD seems to have finally gotten ahead of new hardware launches, for once. I'm not trying to say that AMD's problems are all behind it, but I have a lot more faith in them than ever before.

    Really, it's now Intel that's starting to worry me. I always figured that, no matter how hot and inefficiently their CPUs ran, at least they would be reliable. Lately, it seems we can't even count on that much.

    Yup. It seems like Gen 12 was the last good one they had. Meteor Lake underperformed so badly they had to cancel the desktop version. Raptor Lake seems to be a slow-moving trainwreck. Really makes it seem like their manufacturing problems didn't end back in 2021, like we all thought.
    Intel does get credit for finally getting their motherboard vendors in check. Intel does get credit for being transparent. They've been vocal about not finding the root of the cause up until recently. 90% of the incidents I've seen from people reporting their game crashing and a screenshot of "Video out of memory" and their Nvidia GPU crashing in event viewer even though it's an issue caused by their Intel CPU. Level1Techs showed a better analysis of game database failures. It's not like the Zen 4 issue where it would smoke making it easy to diagnose.



    AMD still hasn't resolved their USB issue on AM4, solutions that work for those users: is swapping their CPU or using a different motherboard that routes the USB controller differently.

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    • QwertyChouskie
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2017
      • 637

      #22
      Given how short the delay is, this is almost certainly a matter of tweaking the BIOS/microcode, rather than hardware replacement. That, or there was one bad batch, and they are shipping out a replacement batch, but it's almost certainly not some hardware defect effecting every chip (or random chips), as it would take much, much longer than 2 or so weeks to test/replace every chip produced.

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      • sophisticles
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2015
        • 2591

        #23
        Maybe I should have said "if you want something that looks good in benchmarks get AMD, if you want reliability get Intel Xeon".

        I too over the years have had the occasional junk processor, both from AMD and Intel but the one thing I could always count on was a Xeon.

        Like the other poster said, I too am ready to move away from both AMD and Intel and would love to go with ARM based system.

        The day I can get a Qualcomm ARM based AIO that i can dual boot Windows and Linux, I am done with AMD and Intel.

        Or if NVIDIA hits it out of the park with their desktop ARM CPUs, maybe I will home brew a new system.

        But I really believe we will be hearing about how buggy these AMD processors are for years to come.

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        • carguello2
          Phoronix Member
          • Oct 2023
          • 51

          #24
          Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

          Let's be honest with ourselves, AMD makes bench-marking CPUs that look good in a review when just looking at charts,

          When you want reliability you buy Intel.
          I disagree. I have a Ryzen 5900X, BPO is enabled, -25MV curve across all cores. Running Windows 11 (Host), I have VMWare Workstation running a Windows 10 VM for work (16GB assigned) while playing CoD MW3, God of War and Ratchet and Clank (Without shutting down the VM). Not a single crash yet. Task Manager reports an uptime of 17 days... If this isn't stable enough, then I don't know what it is then. I started with a 5600G, not a single CPU related crash once. I had a 5800X, 2 CPU crashes reported - 1, bad memory overclocking, 2, bad PBO settings on the BIOS.

          If we switch to the GPU side, sure, I have a crash once every week or so (Radeon RX 7700XT) - Why you may ask? Overclocking... Max freq is raised to 3000 Mhz and Min freq to 2700 Mhz with a Max Power Limit of 15%. At stock, not a single crash. So yeah, I disagree. AMD products are indeed quite stable.

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          • Teggs
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2018
            • 439

            #25
            Originally posted by verude View Post
            Was it? Even before the zen 4 release, I had heard it was slated for 2024 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17439...roarchitecture did I miss some news.
            I don't think you missed any news. It's partly inferred from AMD's stated 18-month release cadence, and the fact that Zen 4 was at one time expected by them to release in the spring of 2022. Since they have leapfrogging design teams, they shouldn't have had cascading delays. Zen 5 should have come out ~18 months after Zen 4 was supposed to come out, not 18 months (or 23 months) after it actually came out. There are a couple of slides I could find that might support this. On the other hand, people argue about slides all the time, even when they aren't from Intel who lie straight up.

            Zen roadmap

            To me this says that 2024 is off the end of the chart where the arrow is pointing to. All of the items on the chart are pre-2024.

            Zen core roadmap

            This aligns well with the known release date for Zen 3 (11/2020), which is the first block on the chart. Zen 4's release date was also known when the chart was presented, but it isn't shown correctly. Why? Because Zen 4 was delayed 6 months. The chart also shows that Zen 5 was planned for end of year 2023.

            This is a conclusion based on incomplete information, but I think it's reasonably obvious that AMD has been missing release dates on the CPU side for a while. This time, even a public release date. I don't mind if anyone disagrees, but I would caution against banking on Zen 6 releasing in August 2026 just because AMD says they're on a 2-year release cadence.

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            • user556
              Phoronix Member
              • Jul 2019
              • 114

              #26
              Roadmaps years out like that are always only a general guess. I don't expect the 10-day weather forecasts to be all that accurate either.
              And Covid-19 of course. International shipping is still suffering a "long-covid" effect, as an example.

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              • user556
                Phoronix Member
                • Jul 2019
                • 114

                #27
                Originally posted by Teggs View Post
                ... and the fact that Zen 4 was at one time expected by them to release in the spring of 2022. Since they have leapfrogging design teams, they shouldn't have had cascading delays. Zen 5 should have come out ~18 months after Zen 4 was supposed to come out, not 18 months (or 23 months) after it actually came out.
                That is incorrect logic too. Everyone knows the development costs are huge. Covid-19 messed up everyone's plans ... So Zen4 is late ... not to mention the competition is also late for the same reason. And those costs still exist. In fact costs have now dramatically risen because of Covid. And likely the development of new processes got pushed back as well.

                So expected production processes for Zen5 are not only not ready, but the sales window for Zen4 to pay for itself has also been moved. It makes sense to move the goalposts to suit reality.

                The alternative would be to write-off Zen4. But you only do such a thing if the market is forcing you to.
                Last edited by user556; 25 July 2024, 02:01 AM.

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                • Yoshi
                  Phoronix Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 93

                  #28
                  There is no hardware issue with the first batch shipped...

                  This is not because AMD’s found any issues with the actual chips, spokesperson Stacy MacDiarmid tells The Verge. Rather, AMD discovered some of its chips didn’t go through all of the proper testing procedures, and the company wants to make sure they do.​

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                  • mlau
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 778

                    #29
                    Originally posted by Yoshi View Post
                    There is no hardware issue with the first batch shipped...
                    I'm with coder: this is to get reviewers to compare zen5 against the microcode-updated raptor lakes. Zen5 release benchmarks and comparison/perf justifications are going to be a hilarious (shit)show

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                    • Yoshi
                      Phoronix Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 93

                      #30
                      And when Intel delays the microcode update to end auf august this doesn't help anybody... The big conspiracy is not lurking around every corner.

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