AMD Ryzen 7 7840U Windows 11 vs. Linux CPU Performance
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For those who don't need Windows specific software there are 0 reasons to use that OS. Everything is worse there: starting with performance ending with that utter garbage UI/UX. Microsoft should pay money for using that shit instead asking it.
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Originally posted by HEL88 View Post
Eg. Autodesk
Thanks for the rolling laughter.
Oh, and you are also wrong
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Originally posted by HEL88 View PostSource please.
M$ says that in 2021 amout of active Windows 10 are 1.3 billion
Microsoft says Windows 10 now on 1.3 billion monthly active devices | ZDNET
And of that tiny fraction, 80% have an ancient low end Intel GPU that is incapable of running any software by Autodesk.
(vs an M2 mac whose GPUs are generally on par with a RX6700....)
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Originally posted by mSparks View PostReally?
Name me one that isn't available natively on macOS? (that wasn't written 20 years ago and suppassed now by several much better alternatives)
61 products for Windows: Buy Autodesk Software | Get Prices & Buy Online | Official Autodesk Store
28 products for MacOS: Buy Autodesk Software | Get Prices & Buy Online | Official Autodesk Store
And only 6 software products for Linux: Buy Autodesk Software | Get Prices & Buy Online | Official Autodesk Store
There aren't even a billion windows users, last active count was something like 200 million total
M$ says that in 2021 amout of active Windows 10 are 1.3 billion
Microsoft says Windows 10 now on 1.3 billion monthly active devices | ZDNET
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Originally posted by avis View Post
When you do benchmarking you want your system behavior to be predictable and tests to be repeatable.
If you don't prepare Windows for that, it may run certain background jobs unexpectedly (not limited to Windows Updates) and screw up your testing completely.
Linux doesn't need that because an average Linux desktop install almost has zero background jobs aside from system logging.
I wanted to end this message with some egregiously caustic remarks about someone's extremely intelligent comments but decided not to.
Most people, even tech-savvy users, don't want to need to spend (dozens of) hours learning one system to customize it to finally have something functional and respectful of user's needs and plannings.
Nothing forces Microsoft, technically, to load up lots of background jobs. It's *their own, full-awareness choice* to reduce UX for their own benefit. It's only normal this should reflect in benchmarks.
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Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
Sure, keep yapping all you want when many software, applications and drivers used by billions of people all over the world and in production systems only exist on Windows and no where else
Name me one that isn't available natively on macOS? (that wasn't written 20 years ago and suppassed now by several much better alternatives)
There aren't even a billion windows users, last active count was something like 200 million total, and the majority of those are software pirates in China. Even the US only has like 50 or 60 million windows PCs these days.Last edited by mSparks; 20 August 2023, 04:23 PM.
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Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
IceLake works *very* well on a clean ISO installation of Windows 11 downloaded from Microsoft's website. Speaking from experience.
However, in all my installations I artificially gimp the performance by forcing Windows to lock the CPU's processor to the lowest possible speed since all notebooks have shit-tier cooling.
As far as Linux is concerned, I won't run Icelake on any kernel below 5.16.
I have to say though, that HP's tend to be very good laptops that last a long time.
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Originally posted by avis View PostBut yeah, you can boast about Linux performance to your Windows friends. You know what they'll do? They will simply shrug off your achievements.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostIt's more about day to day use and responsiveness. When you're just crunching numbers, the OS hardly makes a difference; the scheduler matters more. Where Linux tends to greatly outpace Windows is things like installations/updates, cold booting, and loading basic functions (like the Start menu or Task Manager). Windows carries a lot of bloat, which means it takes longer for it to swap things in/out of memory, which also has to happen more often since memory fills up quicker.
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cold booting,
Linux I understand is less stable so it needs to be restarted often and cold boot time is important?
Windows is things like installations/updates,
On windows, I turn on the update - something is doing in the background. I reboot when I go to get food or go to the toilet. When I come back, it's ready to go to work.
I understand that because you have to restart your computer once every few weeks, this system is not suitable for work?
installations
On the laptop Windows 11 is also from new and I do not rewind some 'installation'.
Windows is not Linux that you have to reinstall every 3 months.
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Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
It's an HP with an Icelake CPU and Intel graphics. If this isn't compatible, what is?
However, in all my installations I artificially gimp the performance by forcing Windows to lock the CPU's processor to the lowest possible speed since all notebooks have shit-tier cooling.
As far as Linux is concerned, I won't run Icelake on any kernel below 5.16.Last edited by Sonadow; 20 August 2023, 09:12 AM.
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Originally posted by paulocoghi View Post
If the negative impact of those standard Windows's background jobs can "screw up your testing completely", how we could not conclude that these same background jobs will create the same negative impacts and "screw up" the day-today usage "completely".
Thanks for helping us to understand that, yes, Windows provides negative impacts on its standard form that are so negative, that measures need to be taken to make Windows "benchmarkable".
Also, thank you to remember us that, yes, the average Linux desktop is so clean that it "install almost zero background jobs" and, thus, provide not only almost zero impact on benchmarks on its standard form, but also almost zero impact on day-to-day usage.
Thanks for proving, yourself, that Linux is faster than Windows.
People choose something which works better, not something that performs marginally better. But yeah, you can boast about Linux performance to your Windows friends. You know what they'll do? They will simply shrug off your achievements.
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