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  • Originally posted by ryao View Post
    With the emulator, most of what works with Proton will work on MacOS since the source code is mostly the same.
    ok tell me if my game runs on OpenGL 4,6 how does it run on MacOS... do i need to tunnel OpenGL to Zink to Vulkan to MoltenVK to metal API or what ?

    and directX11 over DXVk runs by runnel it to moltenVK to metal ?

    we only need moltenVK because apple does not want to implement vulkan...
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    • Originally posted by qarium View Post

      ok tell me if my game runs on OpenGL 4,6 how does it run on MacOS... do i need to tunnel OpenGL to Zink to Vulkan to MoltenVK to metal API or what ?

      and directX11 over DXVk runs by runnel it to moltenVK to metal ?

      we only need moltenVK because apple does not want to implement vulkan...
      Not many games adopted OpenGL 4.6. That said, I have not examined their emulator to see what it does. Presumably, OpenGL 4.6 could be supported on top of metal. There are efforts for doing OpenGL on top of metal like this one:

      Molten includes MoltenVK, an implementation of Vulkan on iOS and macOS, plus MoltenGL, a faster implementation of OpenGL ES 2.0 on iOS and macOS.

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      • Originally posted by ryao View Post
        Not many games adopted OpenGL 4.6. That said, I have not examined their emulator to see what it does. Presumably, OpenGL 4.6 could be supported on top of metal. There are efforts for doing OpenGL on top of metal like this one:
        https://moltengl.com
        iust quote from your linked website:

        "MoltenGL Indie
        Covers use of MoltenGL for one year for one game/app title with less than $100K revenue per year. Covers up to 2 developers/testers.
        Price: $399.00"

        i really do not buy a apple device and use macos to then finance 400€ to make openGL run on MACOS...

        its insanity and not sane.
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        • Originally posted by qarium View Post

          iust quote from your linked website:

          "MoltenGL Indie
          Covers use of MoltenGL for one year for one game/app title with less than $100K revenue per year. Covers up to 2 developers/testers.
          Price: $399.00"

          i really do not buy a apple device and use macos to then finance 400€ to make openGL run on MACOS...

          its insanity and not sane.
          That was an example. That particular solution is not meant to be purchased by end users either.

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          • Originally posted by ryao View Post
            That was an example. That particular solution is not meant to be purchased by end users either.
            that solution is not needed on linux at all... this is what i told you on apple/macos you pay extra not play less games compared to linux.
            for a gamer it is complete idiotic. thats why i told you mobile gamers buy a steam deck and not a apple product.

            you claim mobile gamers buy apple products... this point even backed up by steam statistic i do not believe at all.

            people who buy apple hardware for mobile gaming did not buy the hardware for mobile gaming at all they bought it for other reasons for example "mobile work" and because they already have the hardware for mobile work they end up useing the same hardware as a second class gaming device.

            in other words no one buy apple hardware for mobile gaming.
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            • Originally posted by qarium View Post
              you claim mobile gamers buy apple products... this point even backed up by steam statistic i do not believe at all.
              I did not claim that, at all. It is true, but the steam survey would not show it because mobile gamers use iOS and Android.

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              • Originally posted by ryao View Post
                I did not claim that, at all. It is true, but the steam survey would not show it because mobile gamers use iOS and Android.
                no it is not true. it makes a difference if someone buy a device for mobile gaming this is the case for the steam deck
                or the apple case people buy the device for mobile work and only because they have the device anyway they play on it.

                in the first case mobile gaming is the primary force that makes people buy the device
                in the second case people DO NOT BUY THE DEVICE for mobile gaming instead they buy it for mobile work.
                and they only play on the apple device because they already have the device.

                and it is a fact that linux is a good gaming platform and macos it not good for gaming.

                i see zero benefit from macos for gaming. macos is a negative factor...
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                • Originally posted by qarium View Post

                  no it is not true. it makes a difference if someone buy a device for mobile gaming this is the case for the steam deck
                  or the apple case people buy the device for mobile work and only because they have the device anyway they play on it.

                  in the first case mobile gaming is the primary force that makes people buy the device
                  in the second case people DO NOT BUY THE DEVICE for mobile gaming instead they buy it for mobile work.
                  and they only play on the apple device because they already have the device.

                  and it is a fact that linux is a good gaming platform and macos it not good for gaming.

                  i see zero benefit from macos for gaming. macos is a negative factor...
                  Can your M1 Mac run Fortnite? We tested it on our M1 Macs and can confirm Apple Silicon Macs can perfectly run Fortnite, much better than Intel Macs.

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                  • i did some research if i search for english games for windows in the steam store the result is:

                    140,092 english games for windows.

                    for macos i get this result:

                    38,556 english games on macos

                    for linux

                    25,095 english games for linux and steamOS

                    well this result surprise me but sadly this statistic is not usefull in the question how many games you can play on linux
                    because many games the store and steam app does not list as playable with linux but if you activate proton compatibility mode manually the game works anyway for most of the time.

                    it does surprise me a little but but sadly the numbers are not trustworthy because i have games in my steam account officially only windows but as soon as i activate proton compatibility layer the game runs away.


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                    • Originally posted by qarium View Post

                      i did some research if i search for english games for windows in the steam store the result is:

                      140,092 english games for windows.

                      for macos i get this result:

                      38,556 english games on macos

                      for linux

                      25,095 english games for linux and steamOS

                      well this result surprise me but sadly this statistic is not usefull in the question how many games you can play on linux
                      because many games the store and steam app does not list as playable with linux but if you activate proton compatibility mode manually the game works anyway for most of the time.

                      it does surprise me a little but but sadly the numbers are not trustworthy because i have games in my steam account officially only windows but as soon as i activate proton compatibility layer the game runs away.

                      A large number of games that run in Proton will also run using Apple’s crossover fork since the codebases are mostly the same. Many of those games are not included in the number for MacOS either. Andrew Tsai, the creator of PCGamingWiki, is thrilled with the increase in game availability.
                      Last edited by ryao; 14 June 2023, 02:13 PM.

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