Apple Announces The M2 Ultra SoC - 24 Core CPU, Up To 192GB Unified Memory

[qarium]

I don't think Apple necessarily "needs" much higher IPC to implement good products. However, at least personally for me M3 being a merely N3 shrink with frequency bump would be quite a disappointment, because it would mean unimproved core uarch. I don't think it will happen though. Most likely it will have both: higher IPC and frequency bump around 4GHz. At least that's my speculation.
As for the benchmarks, I tend to look into practical performance first, especially where I need it. If the chip destroys in benching suites, but preforms only ok/good where I need it to perform, the former means nothing to me. At the end of the day I don't even use Apple gear, but I respect Apple for developing in-house cores and pushing new mobility "standards". M is cool, but I am not fanatic about it. x86 will offer cool SoCs too.
I guess my point is x86 is not that garbage in practicality as some ARM fans think it is - that's all

the only x86 cores who can compete are the AMD X3D cores they have a much lower power consumtion in gaming ...

i think apple will jump to ARM v9,2 ISA with maybe 15-20 better IPC and of course higher clock speed.

the M2 Max hit ~3.6 Ghz so your 4ghz is plausible.

[qarium]

I have another question: when we going to have a decent Linux ARM laptop? Decent = at least 4x Cortex X4 + 4x Cortex A720 (without disabled power saving features in DTS'es, because fucking Qualcomm out-of-tree drivers are not stable with them (or not implementing at all))
And no, some mid-tier smartphone SoC in low quality shit Chromebooks do not count.

i did not see anything like what you want. the people on linu want to save money buy the rockchip rk3588 laptop (500€) the linux people who want high performance ARM buy apple...

there is Windows for ARM who have 3-3.1ghz Qualcomm based hardware..

but as you said nothing what linux users want to use.

[ryao]

I have another question: when we going to have a decent Linux ARM laptop? Decent = at least 4x Cortex X4 + 4x Cortex A720 (without disabled power saving features in DTS'es, because fucking Qualcomm out-of-tree drivers are not stable with them (or not implementing at all))

And no, some mid-tier smartphone SoC in low quality shit Chromebooks do not count.

Linus Torvalds uses an Apple M2 MacBook Air:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/linus-torvalds-uses-an-arm-powered-m2-macbook-air-to-release-latest-linux-kernel/

[ryao]

i do not think he has a medical condition he is only a troll who want attention.

people who really have medical condition (like myself) at least try to understand and at least try their best if they write something.

but he does it by purpose.

A professional would need to evaluate him, but his writing has substantial similarities to writing caused by a condition that was described in my college introduction to psychology class.

[mitchellrenouf]

you always claim intel is better but on this benchmark you linked these 2 cpus:

Intel Core i9-13900K
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16-Core

have the same benchmark result. but you call all AMD customers stupid.

Well if you spend two hundred dollars more for something with the same speed and also missing an iGPU and coreboot support you are stupid. I'm sure it may even be possible for you to port coreboot to that if you wanted but the fact is the support is mostly already done by intel themselves when you go with intel. The price difference is even more signficant if you don't get an iGPU. You also clearly misunderstand what I have stated about the 9Ghz being unstable and will take years for a i9 to be stable at that. It isn't stupid to have an older AMD processor like you have it is stupid to say it is faster when it is half or less the speed. I also linked Intels research on the 9Ghz overclock with helium. If you really wanted you can get over 8Ghz right now if you buy an i9 and it works but like I said it will be pricey if you don't have your own means of producing liquid nitrogen and buy in bulk.

[ryao]

in the past the X3D cpus from AMD did well for gaming means low-power consumption

for gaming a amd ryzen 7800X3D looks superior to a Apple M2

i think it will similar in comparison of Apple M3 that an hypothetical AMD Zen 5 X3D will have equal or better performance per watt than a hypotheical apple M3...

but intel even with 6.5 ghz will not have a chance.

That is a different area than projections of future pure single threaded performance. With current hardware, Apple silicon uses slightly less power to get better results in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, despite a handicap from running it in Rosetta 2:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apples-m2-beats-amds-ryzen-7-6800u-in-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider

It is also much more efficient than any desktop configuration, since desktop parts will operate at substantially higher power just to raise performance by even a few percentage points.

[ryao]

Well if you spend two hundred dollars more for something with the same speed and also missing an iGPU and coreboot support you are stupid. I'm sure it may even be possible for you to port coreboot to that if you wanted but the fact is the support is mostly already done by intel themselves when you go with intel. The price difference is even more signficant if you don't get an iGPU. You also clearly misunderstand what I have stated about the 9Ghz being unstable and will take years for a i9 to be stable at that. It isn't stupid to have an older AMD processor like you have it is stupid to say it is faster when it is half or less the speed. I also linked Intels research on the 9Ghz overclock with helium. If you really wanted you can get over 8Ghz right now if you buy an i9 and it works but like I said it will be pricey if you don't have your own means of producing liquid nitrogen and buy in bulk.

Nobody cares. Higher clock speeds are not important.

[mitchellrenouf]

Nobody cares. Higher clock speeds are not important.

That isn't relevant to what I have just stated. If people are telling me I'm a retard I expect logic in return not random bits of data from processors that don't compare like you have done in the past. I already showed they do matter with those two processors.

[qarium]

Well if you spend two hundred dollars more for something with the same speed and also missing an iGPU

https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-linux-kernel-1.15.0

i do not compare the 7950X3D with the 13900K because if you watch this list now the 7950X3D is faster because of this i compare it to the 13900KS

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-100-100000908-a2872872.html

AMD 7950X3D = 699€

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i9-13900ks-special-edition-bx8071513900ks-a2876997.html

intel 13900KS = 779€

Here in germany the AMD 7950X3D is 80€ cheaper than the intel CPU. also your Power Bill will be higher this means the higher. this means your argument is not a argument at all. on the long run because of the electric power bill you pay more on the intel side what makes you a foolish liar.

missing an iGPU ? well on the ryzen 7000 series all the CPUs do in fact have a iGPU inside of the CPU...
on ryzen 1000 or 2000 or 3000 or 5000 there was no iGPU thats right but with ryzen 7000 all the chips have iGPU...
thats not even a lie from you because you just did not know it.

and coreboot support you are stupid.

thats true. but amd did make clear that all future generations will have open-source bios/UEFI...

I'm sure it may even be possible for you to port coreboot to that if you wanted but the fact is the support is mostly already done by intel themselves when you go with intel. The price difference is even more signficant if you don't get an iGPU. You also clearly misunderstand what I have stated about the 9Ghz being unstable and will take years for a i9 to be stable at that. It isn't stupid to have an older AMD processor like you have it is stupid to say it is faster when it is half or less the speed. I also linked Intels research on the 9Ghz overclock with helium. If you really wanted you can get over 8Ghz right now if you buy an i9 and it works but like I said it will be pricey if you don't have your own means of producing liquid nitrogen and buy in bulk.

your iGPU arguemnt again all the ryzen 7000 CPUs do have in fact a iGPU...

also your "The price difference" argument is bullshit because AMD is cheaper.
intel is only cheaper if you only go with the 13900K price= 618€ but then you have a slower cpu.
you always get a cheaper cpu if you accept that it is slower.

"You also clearly misunderstand what I have stated about the 9Ghz being unstable and will take years for a i9 to be stable at that"

you really do not get the point because GHZ does not matter at all. the 7950X3D has much lower clock speed but is the faster cpu.

"It isn't stupid to have an older AMD processor like you have it is stupid to say it is faster when it is half or less the speed."

on multicore benchmarks like compiling it beats the shit out of the intel cpu...

you just talk comlete bullshit you claim your cpu is cheaper ok lets calculate 699€-618€= 81€ but then you say use Liquid Nitrogen then it is no more 81€ price advantage on intel side then the intel you costs you millions more.

[qarium]

That is a different area than projections of future pure single threaded performance. With current hardware, Apple silicon uses slightly less power to get better results in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, despite a handicap from running it in Rosetta 2:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ap...he-tomb-raider

this comparison is invalid to my argument because it compared M2 to ryzen 6800 this is not what i said.
I said the ryzen 7800X3D beats the apple M2 on gaming in performance per watt and also in absolut performance.
but there is no laptop/notebook you can buy with a 7800X3D i give you that.
I did not talk about the 6800u... i don't know why you come up with that.

It is also much more efficient than any desktop configuration, since desktop parts will operate at substantially higher power just to raise performance by even a few percentage points.

nonsense... and bullshit computer magazines tested it and the 7800X3D had the lowest power consumtions of all tested cpus.

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-7800X3D-CPU-279471/Tests/vs-7900X3D-Benchmark-Review-Release-Preis-1416589/3/

see here the 7800X3D is at only 54 watt power consumtion and this at the maximum performance its the fasted cpu in the test

it wins in all 3 important cadegories it is the fasted cpu it has the lowest power consumtion and it has the most FPS per watt.

as far as i know apple can not compete with that maybe Rosetta 2 is the reason.