AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D: Windows 11 vs. Ubuntu 23.04 Linux Performance

[Volta]

As linux fanboy, for you is most important "Opus Codec Encoding Benchamark" because you all day encoding Wave to Opus.

LOL

There are far more important workloads like mission critical systems, NY Stock Exchange etc. As a winboy you can only dream about windows being used on such systems.

[Volta]

I guess this is important on Linux, because apparently Linux crashes all the time and you have to restart, and system sleep doesn't work for you.

Windows reboots every few weeks. And normally you use sleep.

Apparently you have no clue about Linux. It's windows that crashes all the time and you can only hope it will boot after an update. Oh, restarting an OS is very important when comes to energy saving. With winblows you're not only ruining people's nerves, but also nature.

[Volta]

I know. Every Linux fan uses Clear Linux.

Linux users switch CPU governor with simple command. Ubuntu with one of the slowest governors is much faster than windows. This says a lot.

[Isaac Dias]

Imagine Arch Linux vs Windoze.

[F.Ultra]

There are far more important workloads like mission critical systems, NY Stock Exchange etc. As a winboy you can only dream about windows being used on such systems.

Well XLON (London Stock Exchange) did try back in 2007 and in 2009 they in a desperate move bought up MillenniumIT to switch to their Linux based trading system after several catastrophic outages (3d party analysis points to the system caving under heavy load).

The Windows system cost them £40M to get developed by Accenture (with aid from Microsoft) while the cost of MilleniumIT was only £18M and once up and running they claimed to save $16M a year in operations costs alone by switching to the Linux based system.

[brian_lindholm]

The problem with windows is not that it can't run programs quickly. Of course it can. NT kernel is performant and mature and just like Linux it used to run quickly on a 486.
And it's not that Microsoft developers are not talented ones.

The problem is that on typical Windows desktop you need an antivirus that of course needs to scan every file on read and write, even if it was already scanned 5 minutes ago.
And every piece of hardware needs a "control panel" that eats 1GB RAM, an updater running in the background, and full blown launcher because you just cannot run your app otherwise.
And when you're not using actively your computer, of course there is always a "very important" service running in the background that will happily scan thru all your files just for fun because disk can't be idling. Some kind of svchost.exe that just needs to do it's very important tasks that you are not aware of every 15 minutes.

And the funniest thing is when it absolutely needs to install system updates on reboot now, in the middle of your work, and it will take 8 hours to finish only to fail at the end.

Properly slimmed down windows with bloatware removed probably isn't any slower than linux. But keeping it in this state is PITA.

Aye. I've had similar experiences. Once the file is loaded or the program is running, Windows is largely comparable to Linux. But the time penalty associated with loading that file or launching that program can be significant, which means that if you're working with lots of small files or repeated invocations of small programs, Windows provides wildly inferior performance. Throw in those ill-behaved background tasks that consume excess RAM, CPU, and disk time, and the pain keeps rising.

And Windows Update? Gah!!! Microsoft has been providing variants of Windows Update for over 20 years now, and they still can't get it right. It's slow, resource-intensive, terribly opaque, and much more fragile than it ought to be. I've only had one truly bad update experience on Linux, and that was many years ago when I accidentally filled up my /var partition with obsolete packages. [That was when I discovered the wonders of "apt-get autoclean", which is now part of my update script.]

My main Linux computer boots in ~20 seconds: 6 seconds for the BIOS, 5 seconds for the grub delay, 4 seconds for the kernel and UI to load, and 5 seconds to establish a link with the router. My absolute leanest Windows machine takes several times as long, and my big brotherware-infested work laptop takes 20 minutes. Windows may be competitive with long-lived CPU-intensive programs (like those used in benchmarks), but I find Linux to be MUCH snappier for the day-to-day desktop experience.

[sarmad]

Hmm, 7%.

Linux fans claim that Windows is so slow that it is impossible to work on it.

They claim that on Windows all operations take several times longer and Windows takes all resources and for programs nothing is left.

And it turns out that in the right 28% of the programs Windows is even faster

I entered the forum expecting to see some Windows fans bashing Linux, and sure enough, the very first post!

[Volta]

The Windows system cost them £40M to get developed by Accenture (with aid from Microsoft) while the cost of MilleniumIT was only £18M and once up and running they claimed to save $16M a year in operations costs alone by switching to the Linux based system.

At first I was confused after seeing Milenium in your post.

[Jahimself]

If only it was like that. Back in xp, windows was feeling snappier than linux. But since win 10, win 10... Windows never felt so slow. And it's not only the first concern.

There are all kind of new stuff that behave like rogue/rootkit and adware that back in the days malwarebytes would have flagged and blocked. But then you would have no operating system because they are integrated within itself.

I guess some money has been heavily sent to malwarebytes team in order to validate some process that never should have made their way into this OS.

Remember than since win 10 is out, it is free to go from win 7/8 to win 10/11. And even fake cracked key are accepted for the upgrade.

If you factor in the number of computers it represent and the real price of license (oem or normal) it is litteraly hundreds of billion of dollars that microsoft accept to loose. They also accept old OEM keys sold for 1 to 10 dollars on hazy website on which they don't get a single penny. That should not be legal according to their own terms of contract "a license is solely attached to the computer it has been shipped with"

Before win 10 & 11 in some case they could refuse to validate a license when you simply replaced a faulty motherboard, but they accept all that for a good reason.

When you connect the internet the first time on a windows pc without even opening your browser, your pc is connected all sort of places you did not visit, neither need and even shouldn't to visit. Among many of them: bing, store image microsoft, steamcloud, digicert, geo.prod.do, "trustedsource.org" from mcafee (very trustable...), scorecardresearch, many weird msn.com or smartscreen, "privacy"portal (no privacy), "onetrust" (no trust) among many other weird dns,

It's like your pc is entirely crapped as soon as windows is installed. And if it's free with all the costs it represent for Microsoft, ask yourself why are you using it? You no more your PC, it's Microsoft PC if you use any of those modern versions... You even need to log in on microsoft server for installing win11, and you can't use localy if you don't know the tricks to avoid it.

So I don't see any good argument for windows anymore, especially since most of professional tools nowadays can't even be purchased. They are rented on a monthly/year base contract that cost more than a lifetime license... And they usually run like crap, slowing down your computer with very poor performance compared to a 15 years older version of those so called new flashy versions. Meanwhile open source program, and new emerging companies are creating powerfull, efficient and lightweight tools that are worth considering as alternatives.

[F.Ultra]

At first I was confused after seeing Milenium in your post.

yeah the current trading system on XLON is named Millennium, so they are not running Windows Me :-), the 2007-2011 system that did run on Windows (TradEcho) felt like it was running on WIndows Me though...