AMD To Unveil Next-Gen Server Processors On 10 November

[smitty3268]

I'm talking about announcements. Not release dates. They can still release products separately. I feel like I'm in groundhog day reliving zen 4 announcements, and we still have zen4 apus and 3d zen4 to go.

You understand AMD is using those announcements as advertising right?

So what you're asking is why doesn't AMD stop advertising as much as they do.

That's.... a valid question. But I doubt you're going to find many execs at AMD who think they are advertising too much. More likely it's going to be the other way around.

[r1348]

I'm talking about announcements. Not release dates. They can still release products separately. I feel like I'm in groundhog day reliving zen 4 announcements, and we still have zen4 apus and 3d zen4 to go.

How would you announce something if specifications aren't stabilized yet? You announce something only when you're sure on what and when will hit the market. Or if you're Intel, you announce ARC.

[coder]

A better solution (for the users) is to have another cpu model that is not on steroids. Something like ryzen 5700x was to 5800x or intel 12700 to 12700k. Cheaper, a tad slower, and sips less power. Maybe some other kind of optimization is possible but I doubt it. I am not sure what is there for the producer, they can maybe target another market segment, or maybe just sell lower quality silicon in this way.

Those models still have turbo, FWIW.

On the I7-12700K, PL2 is 190 W, whereas the non-K version only drops it to 180 W. So, depending on whether your motherboard will boost indefinitely, simply buying the "65 W" version may not be a solution, at all.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...=134591,134594

[otoomet]

First thing I do on a new machine nowadays, is disable Turbo Boost, and disable Hyperthreading. Machine runs very cool and quiet now. I'm perfectly happy with a 3.4 Ghz base clock. I have no need for a 5 Ghz boost that heats the room and makes my pc sound like a leaf blower.

A better solution (for the users) is to have another cpu model that is not on steroids. Something like ryzen 5700x was to 5800x or intel 12700 to 12700k. Cheaper, a tad slower, and sips less power. Maybe some other kind of optimization is possible but I doubt it. I am not sure what is there for the producer, they can maybe target another market segment, or maybe just sell lower quality silicon in this way.

[coder]

I'm talking about announcements. Not release dates. They can still release products separately. I feel like I'm in groundhog day reliving zen 4 announcements, and we still have zen4 apus and 3d zen4 to go.

Okay, so just don't read them after you already think you know enough. Problem solved.

I'm like that with rumor articles. I don't read every one that comes along, or pay any particular one much heed.

These companies are going to announce stuff on their own schedule, and also to mess with their competitors. That's just how it is. Luckily, there will not be a test, so just ignore it if you're not interested!

[coder]

Why not just cap your fan RPM and undervolt the CPU? That way, you'll still get [short] bursts of high performance without the noise and heat.

Theoretically, power management could achieve better efficiency, if it knew the envelope it's working within. You can do things like not spin up turbo as high, and thereby sustain it for enough additional time to get more work done. In practice, they might indeed behave similarly.

[coder]

At 96 cores, they will exceed the core count of every Xeon Phi that was released (but not thread count yet, even with Bergamo's 256).

And didn't KNL have 2x AVX-512 FMA per core? I think Zen4 has only the equivalent of 1 FMA per core, though it can also do 512-bits add/cycle, plus 512-bits of load or store. Not to mention much higher clock speeds and higher memory bandwidth than even KNL's MCDRAM.

There will probably be at least another 3 major nodes after TSMC N3, so maybe we'll see 1024 cores before everything is forced to go full 3D. On a 'C' variant if not regular cores.

With these crazy-high core counts and CXL.mem for expandability, I wonder if they might even drop support for dual-CPU, at some point. I think one of the main use cases for multi-CPU is just to scale up memory capacity.

[fitzie]

That would be very difficult on reviewers. Many reviewers review most or all of those product lines, like this site or AnandTech.

They're different products released at different times.

I'm talking about announcements. Not release dates. They can still release products separately. I feel like I'm in groundhog day reliving zen 4 announcements, and we still have zen4 apus and 3d zen4 to go.

[Mark Rose]

amd should have one announcement meeting a year. server cpus, desktop cpus, mobile cpus, desktop gpu and datacenter gpus. what is the point on dragging this all out? they have way too many pr people giving themselves busy work.

That would be very difficult on reviewers. Many reviewers review most or all of those product lines, like this site or AnandTech.

[schmidtbag]

First thing I do on a new machine nowadays, is disable Turbo Boost, and disable Hyperthreading. Machine runs very cool and quiet now. I'm perfectly happy with a 3.4 Ghz base clock. I have no need for a 5 Ghz boost that heats the room and makes my pc sound like a leaf blower.

Why not just cap your fan RPM and undervolt the CPU? That way, you'll still get [short] bursts of high performance without the noise and heat.