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  • Originally posted by coder View Post
    Then why are you backing Russia?

    You're too confused by the culture wars that Russia is trying to inflame in the west. However, the fact is that the US government doesn't criminalize speech, unlike Russia - who just outlawed calling the Ukraine conflict a "war" or an "invasion".
    West is more censoring than Russia.
    President of US was taken off platform while BEING a president.

    Government says: we want some speech to not be.
    Private companies ban dissident opinions and then they refer to government - but they asked us to!

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    • Originally posted by coder View Post
      It's funny how you're somehow an expert on western corporate culture.

      No, corporate HR is not full of socialists. They are corportists. Their job is to shield the company from lawsuits. And firing or not hiring people because of their political views is one of those things that tend to bring lawsuits, which is why it doesn't often happen.

      What I think you're tapping into is cases where some unhinged person with extreme political views gets fired, but that's probably more because they're unhinged than their actual political views. These nutjobs like to play the victim and blame their failures on their politics, but that's usually not the issue.

      I can tell you, for a fact, that I've worked with people having a whole range of political views. It's not an issue, unless they make it one.


      Nobody is getting prosecuted, simply for being an antivaxxer.


      Nobody is locking up or exterminating antivaxxers. Any measures being taken against them are to protect broader society, because vaccines do actually reduce the risk of getting infected and therefore slow the spread of the virus.

      So, what does this have to do with Russia invading Ukraine? Oh, I see what you did there.

      You understand this is a troll tactic, right? You can only use troll tactics for so long without becoming a troll.
      "They are corportists. Their job is to shield the company from lawsuits. And firing or not hiring people because of their political views is one of those things that tend to bring lawsuits, which is why it doesn't often happen." - they don't advertise fact that they do shady stuff against majorities of countries they do business in. Generally there are a few such law suits, because person who was offended can barely ever have strong enough proof. Corporate entities lie in court and outside of it.
      "No, corporate HR is not full of socialists." - yeah they are.I worked from fortune 500 to fortune 100 and above. My experience SCREAM in my face, HR are EITHER SJW or they have to pretend and act like one.

      "Any measures being taken against them are to protect broader society, because vaccines do actually reduce the risk of getting infected and therefore slow the spread of the virus." - inconsequentially.

      And there is, WOOPS:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
      You are factually wrong. "Pandemic of unvaccinated".

      "You understand this is a troll tactic, right? You can only use troll tactics for so long without becoming a troll." - because trolls or criminals or nazi or communists or [insert group of people that is not liked] can never be right, right?

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      • Originally posted by coder View Post
        That doesn't justify anything Putin is doing. We can now see that his real goal isn't to stop NATO. In fact, he needs NATO to keep growing and ideally to eventually match his rhetoric about it.

        If he didn't have NATO to complain about and threaten his people with, they would see that he's an empty shell of a man who's stuck in the past. He should've gone out with the Cold War.


        This is a false argument, because nobody forces other NATO members to do anything. Again, I point to the numerous conflicts that Turkey has been involved in, and never once did NATO intervene.
        "That doesn't justify anything Putin is doing. We can now see that his real goal isn't to stop NATO."
        I will not go into philosophy of justify not justify.
        Putin was saying for DECADES that he sees NATO expansion as threat and warned of consequences. Everyone chose to ignore it.
        NATO should have dissolved after USSR broke down. And yet it decided to become more of a threat to a new born country and government. It was ignored for long time, until it was ignored no more.
        Again, NATO chooses who to have wars with in a way that benefits it. If NATO would try to fuck with Turkey, good chance Russia would get involved as well, in atypical situation, where past enemy of Russian Empire seems to be somewhat political and economical partner of modern day Russian Federation.

        And I did give analogy of 2 bandits in defensive alliance with 8 normal folks before. Too many times. I think i need to write some text document and copy paste it.

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        • Originally posted by coder View Post
          That's nonsense. People are free to say whatever they want, but when "peaceful demonstrations" involve illegal actions like blocking traffic across a vital bridge, then the normal thing happens to those committing a crime. Someone in my family was involved in genuinely peaceful protest movements for a long time, and there's a term for this: "civil disobedience". People who do illegal things like trespassing or blocking road traffic are usually well aware that they face imprisonment and other legal penalties and still do so because they judge the publicity to be worth the punishment.

          To be honest, I was shocked that the Canadian truckers were allowed to create a disruption for so long. I think it just took Canada a long time to gather the resources needed to deal with them.

          Now, let's contrast this with the Wall St. protests from more than a decade earlier. Those protesters didn't block traffic or generally do other highly-disruptive things, and were pretty much allowed to stay all summer, even though they took over parks others might like to use, and without proper permits.


          I can keep addressing you, point by point, but it's clear that your playbook consists of:
          • Calling everyone else Nazis
          • Claiming NATO forced Putin to make war
          • False claims of genocides
          • Whataboutism

          I realize Putin and his actions aren't easy to defend, but if that's all you've got, then we could just stop this waste of time. It's not helping the Ukrainians or the Russian soldiers they're fighting.

          Anyway, your point about social media banning covid and vaccine disinformation isn't one about the US government, because it's not forcing them to do that. If you want to talk about social media companies, that's different discussion. Also, I know many Jews don't appreciate equating treatment of anti-vaxxers to the Holocaust, because there are lots of complaints about this, whenever some high-profile person makes such statements.

          It's a false-equivalence on so many levels, but it's clear why they keep doing it. That's because feeling like a victim is a powerful motivating force. Putin uses this and tells Russians that the world is against them because of their identity, rather than Russia's actions. It's like a little child complaining about being punished for doing something naughty that the teacher simply doesn't like him.


          Russia made its enemies the hard way. I give it full credit for that.

          Just look at Germany. After World War II, West Germany turned the page and is now a proper citizen of the world. There's no reason Russia couldn't do the same. It merely chose a different path.
          "People who do illegal things like trespassing or blocking road traffic are usually well aware that they face imprisonment and other legal penalties and still do so because they judge the publicity to be worth the punishment." - tell that to racist movement of BLM. Millions in damages and US politicians and governors did fuck all to disperse crowds. BLM known to poses threat, and kill people. And yet US shows no interest whatsoever to go after people who did said protests. And yet comunazi in Canada have guts to call said truckers authoritarians, and have horses stamp crowds of unarmed protesters who did no violence to anyone, apart from blocking comunazi infrastructure.
          Not only that, but also illegally blocked protesters money flow. Because you know, its exactly how comunazi act.[*]Calling everyone else Nazis - i am not wrong. US has some major problems with that. Same goes for a lot of EU.[*]Claiming NATO forced Putin to make war - no, i say it gave reasons. I say it potentially provoked, which is not the same.[*]False claims of genocides[*] - right, look at:
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...A%D0%B5_01.jpg
          I can't help but cry seeing names of kids and their ages. And this is monument from 2015. Its monument dedicated to kids killed SPECIFICALLY by Ukrainian artilerry strikes against break away Donbas region. (where my father may still live... I wonder if he is still alive...)
          Whataboutism - nah. Russia did a shit thing. its just unlike most people here I am not one fucking bit amazed WHY.

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          • Originally posted by coder View Post
            Here's how they're different. Those wars existed before the US got involved. With Russian going into Georgia and eastern Ukraine, those were conflicts on its borders that it helped to start.

            I already said before: the US didn't want to get bogged down in another middle eastern country, after Iraq. That's why it had such a light footprint in Libya, when the consulate got attacked, and why it pulled out of Syria after ISIS was defeated.


            I think you weight too heavily a small sample of opinions that can easily be cherry-picked to give a wrong impression.


            Did it have anything to do with Russia cutting off gas to Ukraine, in the middle of winter, in order to make them pay like 4 times as much as the going rate? Do you have evidence that people died from it? In the US, when a town or city has a problem with its water system, we bring in drinking water by truck. Why couldn't Russia just ship in enough water for people to drink?

            Crimea was illegally stolen by Russia, along with lots of state and private property. Why is Ukraine obligated to continue supplying it with municipal services, if Russia didn't make any such arrangements?


            Somebody needs to tell Putin. He seems confused about that point.


            Countries are capable of deciding for themselves what's a threat. Look at Finland - not a NATO country, but I'll bet it's a lot closer to joining now than just a few years ago!


            And Hitler was Austrian, not German. What's your point? Do you really think their national origin makes that big a difference or that they could go to just any country and achieve the same outcome?
            "I think you weight too heavily a small sample of opinions that can easily be cherry-picked to give a wrong impression." - i learn to make conclusions from facts that DON'T happen. Everyone in Crimea has mobile phones. Where do we see Russian atrocities in Crimea? If majority did not support Crime, there would be guerilla warriors, right? Videos of fights. Dead mutilated bodies of Russian soldiers and Guerilla. No. What we have is Ukraine cutting off 95% of water from people it considers to be their citizens. And nothing else. NOTHING. One terror attack against fucking school. NOT POLICE, not RUSSIAN GOVERNORS. And turned out to be a crazy guy.
            Will you close your eyes on lack of supporting evidence that Crimea overwhelmingly supported Russia but EU when was invited to observe democratic vote refused to come when were invited? What you think of that? Is this not an evidence of hypocrisy by West? EU's response was - its farse and will be fake. But then why not come and document this?

            "Crimea was illegally stolen by Russia, along with lots of state and private property." - how can you steal land, when local populous -who owns it, and it willingly chosen to separate from Ukraine and join Russia?

            "Look at Finland - not a NATO country, but I'll bet it's a lot closer to joining now than just a few years ago!" - yeah level of hysteria is unbelievable.

            "Did it have anything to do with Russia cutting off gas to Ukraine, in the middle of winter, in order to make them pay like 4 times as much as the going rate?" - did you know that Russia gave SUPER HEAVY discount to Ukraine before it decided to go NATO? Russia raised price to level of EU. Suddenly Ukraine's actions started to have consequences. You dont show ass to closest neighbour who gives you something for near free and expect not to have consequnces.

            There is one thing I cant stop laughing at in all this war.

            Its the clown Ukrainian president. Sorry, comedian. Not clown. I have seen video of him on biggest Russian TV channel being pro Russian and laughing at pro-vestern shills in Ukraine. And yet the moment he became Ukrainian president 180 degrees turn has happened. After this kind of observations, I can't help but laugh and think how Ukraine is played by a Western puppet who sells his ass to highest bidder.

            But most people from west would never see this video, let alone understand it.

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            • dimko Unfortunately, some people understand only the language of force, we can't do anything about that. I live in a country that helped emensly it's neighbours zillion times through the history, even liberated them multiple times, yet, with puppet regimes, they keep attacking, "degrading" and all sorts of things to my country, all of that is sponsored and supported by US/EU. But let me tell you something, when times get rough, all of those countries don't turn to the US/EU for help, as we speak now, some of them, literally beg for some basic stuff, and they are self-proclaimed "developed and superior", and to make irony even bigger, it's the same people who say "X are worst" and then "X help me", if I was in power in my country I wouldn't help them at all, I would simply say "Well, I am the worst, ask your friends from US/EU/NATO", but governments here don't do such things for whatever reason.

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              • I just wanted to clarify something..
                To be honest I am terrified with a news that I saw in RT, about plain Nazism..

                I Saw in RT, that Nancy Pelosi in the US received the Ukranian President saying "Slava Ukraina!", and chanting everybody in the room?
                It that true?

                Because that statement is a Nazi statement created by Nazi Stepan Bandera, when he joined with Adolf Hitler in WWII.
                And if true is a irrefutable proof that the US has become a NAZI state.

                Please someone can clarify, if you saw that in the news??
                Thanks in advance.

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                • tuxd3v I think I saw the video, yup, idiots spewing Nazi salute equivalent to the "Heil Hitler", they probably don't know, I didn't know that was a Nazi salute actually, I knew about Nazi movements etc., but that salute I did not know. It's possible they didn't know, it is also possible that was intentional, since Zakharova mentioned it a week ago or so.

                  PS: Intentional or not, one thing is for sure, those people will not even aknowledge that, let alone apologize for it, they are the lowest scum of the earth, and from such "people" you should not expect human traits such as honesty, integrity, decency etc.
                  So far,e very action of those "officials" goes strictly in my prediction pattern they are using.
                  Last edited by leipero; 17 March 2022, 11:57 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by leipero View Post
                    tuxd3v I think I saw the video, yup, idiots spewing Nazi salute equivalent to the "Heil Hitler", they probably don't know, I didn't know that was a Nazi salute actually, I knew about Nazi movements etc., but that salute I did not know. It's possible they didn't know, it is also possible that was intentional, since Zakharova mentioned it a week ago or so.

                    PS: Intentional or not, one thing is for sure, those people will not even aknowledge that, let alone apologize for it, they are the lowest scum of the earth, and from such "people" you should not expect human traits such as honesty, integrity, decency etc.
                    So far,e very action of those "officials" goes strictly in my prediction pattern they are using.
                    Well, I don't know how can they not know about that, sincerely.
                    Probably she and others are nazi too, and identify themselves with that garbage..

                    The slogan is chanted in Ukraine today in Kiev and some other parts were nazi sentiment exist..
                    Usually someone in Power says loud "Slava Ukraina", and the pupils reply "Glory to heroes", this is a nazi Salute from Stepan Bandera, the leader of the nazi organization OUN.

                    And the nazis tried to put it even in football teams in their shirts..but FIFA and UEFA forbid them.
                    I am almost sure that, in the Country internally, they use it the same way in sports..

                    Remember that Stepan Bandera was responsible to the killings of:
                    More than 140000 Jews, more than 50000 Poles, and more than 30000 Russians.
                    Even the German Nazis got disgusted by his brutality..

                    He managed this before being arrested.
                    He managed later to scape, to Germany, were a lot later he was shot and killed probably by Jews, or Russians under the pseudonym of "Stepan Opall".
                    The problem was that his ideology managed to survive, and after 2014 was resurrected to become mainstream..

                    You can see a bit of it, in the Oliver Stone 1:34hours Documentary, Ukraine on Fire.
                    That content was marked as forbidden, and YouTube retired it,
                    But there are still some places were you can see it, thanks god.

                    Now, what p*sses me off, is why the USA, even tough that they lost almost no one in the WWII, but still lost some...how can they sh*tt in their heroes graves!
                    Complete Abomination!

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                    • Originally posted by coder View Post
                      Huh? They're supposed to stop maintaining OpenBLAS, just because Russia is using it?
                      Ask them, not me.

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