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    Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
    Again, Russians don't want land, they have plenty of it, they want to solve the real problem,
    The nazis are killing Russian Uranians, that is the problem, and it just don't go way by itself
    What a stupid Russian propaganda! The Ukraine president is Jew and you are saying he and the rest of the government are Nazis?! Don't you see that everybody needs an accuse to attack a country? Putin himself said, that it was a mistake to acknowledge the independence of Ukraine. He also killed Russian oppositionists and everybody saying that Russia is invading Ukraine is risking to go up to 15 years in jail (new law which is coming).
    Russian is far from being free and how should a dictator free a democratic country? Don't you see how stupid that sounds?!

    Russia bombed an atomic power plant and didn't let pass FireResc fire department for hours! And then they are claiming, they just wanted to secure the plant.

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    • Originally posted by dimko View Post
      this is why i stand strong for ALL speech, hate speech or not, as long as its not direct cries to arm/violence/screaming in crowded theater.
      Free speech for dummies:

      Free speech means that the government cannot prosecute you like in Russia or shut you up or imprison you like in Russia. It does not mean that Facebook or whoever else must allow all your messages if they don't agree with you or if you break their rules. So it doesn't make them nazis if they refuse you.

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      • Originally posted by Steffo View Post
        Ukrainian
        What a stupid Russian propaganda! The Ukraine president is Jew and you are saying he and the rest of the government are Nazis?! Don't you see that everybody needs an accuse to attack a country? Putin himself said, that it was a mistake to acknowledge the independence of Ukraine. He also killed Russian oppositionists and everybody saying that Russia is invading Ukraine is risking to go up to 15 years in jail (new law which is coming).
        Russian is far from being free and how should a dictator free a democratic country? Don't you see how stupid that sounds?!

        Russia bombed an atomic power plant and didn't let pass FireResc fire department for hours! And then they are claiming, they just wanted to secure the plant.
        Don't be so nervous, you can't. Take the pills that the doctors have prescribed for you. You are not well.

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        • Originally posted by dimko View Post

          Shadow banning, companies and HR share data about people, in many cases you become unhirable if you don't agree with political views of HR, which are overwhelmingly socialists. Prosecution of anticovidvaxxers (because not every person who oposes covid shot is anti vaxxer). When you hear from president of US, that covid is epidemy of unvaccinated, where shots do fuck all with one exception, they make sickness less dangerous. This is directly from NAZI propaganda book. Isolate chunk of population based not on politics but on "medical reasons". They marked jews based on "jews carry typhoid, and lice" and marked person is an easy victim. Only today its covid. And giant companies are compliant. Google cuntbook/metaface, twatter etc etc are Volkswagen/IBM of NAZI Germany today.
          Protecting citizens and health is nazism now? The same kind of nazism as the people in Ukraine I'm sure. I bet you have never heard of Typoid Mary? Governments all over the world protect their citizens and can require some vaccines for general health. Many countries have certain vaccinations as an entry condition. But I guess Russia doesn't like it when Western countries actually try to look after their citizens - Russia clearly doesn't care about anyone or anything, not their "brothers" the Ukrainians, not their own people who are dying in the war they created, let alone about how much destruction and mayhem they cause (like shooting at nuclear reactors).

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          • Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View Post

            Not every country in the world has Russian superyachts, Russian money, significant trade or flights to/from Russia. Eventhough it's mostly the "West", the rouble and the Russian stockmarket are not exactly doing great right now. And it is only going to get worse over time. So I don't think it matters whether it is 1/4th of the world or not, the sanctions seem to have their intended effect already.

            Thanks for correcting the record about the video I posted. My point is that this is the kind of stuff shown prominently on Russian tv, especially in recent weeks. You will not see anything similar anywhere in the USA or Europe. Over here we don't boast about nuclear weapons, test them very publicly or make threats with nuclear weapons. The majority of Europeans are very much against nuclear weapons (so we don't have any ICBMs or other nuclear missiles). Sadly US+Russia still have more nuclear warheads than cities in the world. Not something to be proud of or boast about really. Anyway, hopefully that explains why we think the Russians are crazy with their nuclear posturing without any provocation.
            The thing is, none of the vountries in the "west" are independent, most EU countries are subordinate to the US, either via blackmail by US, or by corruption, some are on the US side ofc.

            Well, you are missing the point of that part of the video, again = context. The point of the video is "If NATO attacks, this is what will happen", purely defensive action.

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            • Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
              If you go by that road we could say that US agents are here in full force..
              No one is, afaik, justifying nothing, we are discussing the problems that exist, and the ones that created this situation in first place..
              No Ukraine has a lot of different people put in the same country, and that, in my opinion was a big mistake, because as we see now, they can't leave together..
              Yes there are a big growth in nazism in Ukraine, mostly in western Ukraine.
              But that doesn't mean all western Ukraine people are nazis, for sure a lot of them aren't.
              There is a lot of nazis in Russia - for example the Wagner Group which carries out most of the dirty work for the Russians. I mean you are putting all of the blame on Ukraine because you're that biased, but what about pro-Russia groups and agents from Russia stirring up trouble in the Donbas region? Are you claiming none of that happened? Ever? From Wikipedia:

              "In April 2014, demonstrations by pro-Russian groups in the Donbas region of Ukraine escalated into a war between the Ukrainian military and Russian-backed separatists of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk republics. In August, unmarked Russian military vehicles crossed the border into the Donetsk republic. An undeclared war began between Ukrainian forces and separatists intermingled with Russian troops, although Russia denied the presence of its troops in the Donbas. The war settled into a stalemate, with repeated failed attempts at ceasefire."

              So as we all know, Russia has obviously been involved in all of this since the beginning. Unofficially of course, that's why they have the Wagner Group and so many soldiers on "holiday" in Donbas. Ukraine was mostly peaceful since 1991 and suddenly all hell breaks loose in 2014? A bit of a coincidence don't you think?

              They are not attacking power stations, they just took control of them, because there are circulating reports that Ukraine was trying to build a nuclear bomb, and the US knows it.
              Also Zelensky, himself, told in Germany that Ukraine was thinking in go nuclear..
              Please do keep up - they shot at a nuclear power station and managed to set some buildings on fire and kill several workers in the process. Then they blocked the fire services for many hours. If that is not a very serious and direct attack on a nuclear power station then I don't know what is. Do they also have to blow it up before it counts as an attack?

              FYI Ukraine does not have a nuclear bomb program nor the capability to do so. They gave up all the nuclear missiles stationed on their territory in 1994 and expected a guarantee of safety from Russia in return. We now know how much we can trust Russian guarantees...

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              • Originally posted by Steffo View Post
                Ukrainian
                What a stupid Russian propaganda! The Ukraine president is Jew and you are saying he and the rest of the government are Nazis?! Don't you see that everybody needs an
                I don't know about propaganda, but I am from South of Europe, so I play no role in what you describe as propaganda.

                Ukraine has a Jew president, but you need to realize that half of the country couldn't vote..
                Its not all the government but essentially some part of it.
                The biggest problem are the Azov battalion and the right Sektor

                Originally posted by Steffo View Post
                Russia bombed an atomic power plant and didn't let pass FireResc fire department for hours! And then they are claiming, they just wanted to secure the plant.
                No Russians didn't bombed a nuclear facility, that is false!
                Russians fought at the entry, to gain control of it, and they are now in control of it, but the facility is managed by Civilians..
                The video I saw shows clearly flares being launched, to improve visibility( it was a dark night ) for the forces on the ground, that's it!
                So no bombing occurred, that is propaganda.

                And if you stop a bit to think, do you really believe Russia would bomb a nuclear facility, that later will cause a lot of Russian deaths?
                You just think about it for a second, and you will see that's propaganda..

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                • Originally posted by leipero View Post

                  The thing is, none of the vountries in the "west" are independent, most EU countries are subordinate to the US, either via blackmail by US, or by corruption, some are on the US side ofc.

                  Well, you are missing the point of that part of the video, again = context. The point of the video is "If NATO attacks, this is what will happen", purely defensive action.
                  Then you are still missing the obvious fact that NATO is purely defensive. They explicitly do not go for first strike. And the US certainly doesn't control all countries, nor do they force countries into NATO. And any country can leave if they don't feel they a benefit from joining NATO.

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                  • Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View Post
                    Then you are still missing the obvious fact that NATO is purely defensive. They explicitly do not go for first strike.
                    You just ask Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc, if NATO is a defensive alliance..

                    Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View Post
                    And the US certainly doesn't control all countries, nor do they force countries into NATO.
                    I am not sure about that.. and my country is in NATO..

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                    • Originally posted by h0tc0d3 View Post
                      It is worth noting that our arme were not there until the end of March 2022. It was just a manipulation by Ukraine to get money and weapons from the West. They killed their own people. If our troops were really there, then Ukraine would have long ago had nothing left.
                      Interesting conspiracy theory. What about all the non-uniformed Russians on "holiday" in Donbas, the Wagner Group and all the Russian equipment (including the anti-aircraft battery that shot down MH-17)? Bit of a coincidence don't you think?

                      You have to be quite indoctrinated to believe that Russia had absolutely nothing to do with all of it. I guess Crimea just spontaneously annexed itself as well...

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