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Originally posted by leipero View PostThis shows true values of "democracy and freedom", open hunt on anything Russian, sports, students at universities (yup, that's actualy happening), companies and people etc.
Companies fall under economic sanctions, which is unfortunate, but some of their revenues eventually ends up in State coffers.
As for students and other people of Russian nationality, origin, heritage, etc. I absolutely condemn any targeting or harassment of them, in any way. I hope that is a very small number of cases, and even that would be a shame.
What the world opposes is Putin's actions. It's not Russians or even Russia that's the issue. I wish for a new chapter in Russia's history, when it can flourish in peace and civility. Sadly, that doesn't seem to align with Putin's vision.
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Originally posted by coder View PostAnd you don't consider a ground invasion and being showered with missiles and bombs provocation?
Then why didn't they just go into eastern Ukraine?
The regular Ukrainian army is fighting the separatists, in the east. I don't know if there are also paramilitary groups, but the main fighting is with the regular army because they were trying to keep their land from being stolen by Russia.
Except most of it is a frozen wilderness. But, what Putin really wants in Ukraine is most of all to make sure his own people don't see an example of a successful democracy on their doorstep, consisting of people like them.
You guys seem to hear so much about how bad democracy is. Now, why do you think that's what you're being told?
If anything Putin and his cronies are the real nazis. In the great motherland even 7-year olds are now arrested when they say they want peace - how much lower can you go? Oh, OK, attack a nuclear power station. What next?
I've come to the conclusion that there is only one way out of this conflict - the removal of Putin.
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I find it fascinating how so many Russians (or at least the ones you hear from) seem to find NATO so threatening and scary, and feel like they are being almost attacked by it.
Because, as someone who lives in a NATO country, I can tell you that all of us gave absolutely zero thought to Russia. I mean every now and then there'd be some slight annoyance from a ransomware group based in Russia and it would be annoying that Putin seemed to be encouraging them, but that's the extent of it. Russia wouldn't even cross people's minds except about once a year very briefly, probably in sports.
Perhaps it's a bit different among the eastern european countries. I could see that they might have old memories of the USSR there which the rest of NATO doesn't, but they have no real influence over anything.
Of course that's all changed now. I was pretty convinced NATO was just going to die off in the next 20 years as people stopped caring about it, but this war has certainly reinvigorated it. Europe actually cares now, and this probably ensures it sticks around another 50 years until the current generation starts dying out.Last edited by smitty3268; 04 March 2022, 12:55 AM.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostI find it fascinating how so many Russians (or at least the ones you hear from) seem to find NATO so threatening and scary, and feel like they are being almost attacked by it.
Because, as someone who lives in a NATO country, I can tell you that all of us gave absolutely zero thought to Russia. I mean every now and then there'd be some slight annoyance from a ransomware group based in Russia and it would be annoying that Putin seemed to be encouraging them, but that's the extent of it. Russia wouldn't even cross people's minds except about once a year very briefly, probably in sports.
Perhaps it's a bit different among the eastern european countries. I could see that they might have old memories of the USSR there which the rest of NATO doesn't, but they have no real influence over anything.
Of course that's all changed now. I was pretty convinced NATO was just going to die off in the next 20 years as people stopped caring about it, but this war has certainly reinvigorated it. Europe actually cares now, and this probably ensures it sticks around another 50 years until the current generation starts dying out.
Indeed, Putin has not just revived NATO, he has actually revitalised it. NATO will become much stronger and more countries will join (even Finland and Sweden are now considering it). So Putin can expect more military bases along Russia's borders, more troops and more missiles... Exactly what he wanted, right?
As for information from Russia, their many invasions have been in the news. And their cruel habit of flattening whole city blocks with everyone in it is well known across the world. There are claims they even deliberately target hospitals and health workers after attacks (no health care for wounded soldiers results in fewer soldiers, it's really that simple).
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Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View PostI've come to the conclusion that there is only one way out of this conflict - the removal of Putin.
Still, it wouldn't guarantee the same thing not just happening again, but the conflict's current path seems to be one paved with unbounded death and destruction. So, even if ceding eastern Ukraine only buys a few years time, that's a few years many Ukrainians (and a some unfortunate Russian soldiers) wouldn't otherwise have.
As for Putin, I think it's ultimately the Russians who should sort out their governance problems. I'm not just being oblique, I really mean that.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostI find it fascinating how so many Russians (or at least the ones you hear from) seem to find NATO so threatening and scary, and feel like they are being almost attacked by it.
Originally posted by smitty3268 View Postas someone who lives in a NATO country, I can tell you that all of us gave absolutely zero thought to Russia.
Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostI was pretty convinced NATO was just going to die off in the next 20 years as people stopped caring about it, but this war has certainly reinvigorated it. Europe actually cares now, and this probably ensures it sticks around another 50 years
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Originally posted by Lecedy View PostReading through it, all the political things aside. Was anyone in OpenBLAS team had access to Elbrus to even test these codes on the hardware?
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Originally posted by coder View PostFirst, they didn't. Second, if Russia isn't trying to take land from its neighbors, then it has no need to worry about NATO. You've been brainwashed into believing NATO is your enemy, but that's only true if you make an enemy of NATO.
And, Why should I be friendly to NATO? I support the EU, the African Union and other alliances aimed at economic development. But as a military alliance, all the meaning of its existence is to seek war. I have always believed that when there is no military alliance in the world, the world will be more peaceful.
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