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  • Originally posted by dimko View Post
    I don't believe in democracy.
    I do believe in democracy, the problem is that I am yet waiting for it for decades already..

    Because frankly speaking there are no democracy today in any place..unfortunately.

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    • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
      I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it's not likely to take several years. Even if it does, military tech is known to remain pretty old for a while. I'm sure Russia will be fine in that time frame even if they're stuck with outdated chips. Being an open platform, they can do their own research.
      I believe Russia technology for the military hardware has nothing or almost nothing todo with Elbrus.
      A country never produce its hardware for the military outside its doors..for obvious reasons.

      So I would say that no,
      Its not the Elbrus cpu's that are on those cruise missiles or such( those are dedicated technology that is secret to the civilian population.. ),
      And for sure is technology that is produced inside Russia..they have a lot of archs mips derivated and such, and even others that are exotic, and probably others that we don't even know about..

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      • Originally posted by patstew View Post
        Russia is literally invading a neighboring state ...
        It's sad that even the most borderless group of people in the world are still in the information cocoon room. Why not think in another direction. Why do you allow the United States and its allies to garrison tens of thousands of kilometers away from home and think it is "justice". But will Russia not be allowed to oppose the NATO troops coming to the door?

        Justice? Politics is only dirty. It's the same in any country. So I don't think OSS will get any benefits from participating in this kind of thing.

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        • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          It's not in the same vein because Russia already has what they need to get the job done.
          But what job? Reconstitute the USSR?

          Or, you're saying that because there's already a version of OpenBLAS supporting ELBRUS, that removing support for it would be pointless? Well, I can't say you're totally wrong about that, but it would mean they miss out on future fixes, features, & optimizations, unless they port them over to their fork, themselves.

          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          I figured it was implied, as the article said "drop support", as in, they are directly working together. Perhaps I'm wrong and there is no contact, but the underlying point remains the same: Russia is probably going to drop them regardless.
          No, it meant removing the part of code which provide hardware support for ELBRUS.

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          • Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
            But coder...that's what the US has being doing for the last 50 years..
            The question isn't whether you can find an example, like the US going into Iraq, because if the standard of behavior is the worst thing that anyone else has done, that's called "a race to the bottom." I think we can all agree that the Iraq invasion was a bad idea at the time, and turned out even worse than most predicted. The point here is that we don't want to see that sort of thing repeated again and again.

            Plus, as I've said before, the reason for going into Iraq (or Afghanistan, or anywhere else) wasn't to conquer it. In Putin's case, he definitely wants to take Ukraine.

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            • Originally posted by wangling View Post
              But will Russia not be allowed to oppose the NATO troops coming to the door?
              First, they didn't. Second, if Russia isn't trying to take land from its neighbors, then it has no need to worry about NATO. You've been brainwashed into believing NATO is your enemy, but that's only true if you make an enemy of NATO.

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              • Originally posted by wangling View Post

                It's sad that even the most borderless group of people in the world are still in the information cocoon room. Why not think in another direction. Why do you allow the United States and its allies to garrison tens of thousands of kilometers away from home and think it is "justice". But will Russia not be allowed to oppose the NATO troops coming to the door?

                Justice? Politics is only dirty. It's the same in any country. So I don't think OSS will get any benefits from participating in this kind of thing.
                There's no moral equivalence between NATO troops being stationed in Estonia at the request of the Estonians, and Russian troops in Ukraine bombing the shit out of the Ukrainians. Russia may or may not genuinely feel threatened by NATO, but it's no excuse for what they're doing. You won't catch me defending the Iraq invasion or similar either, I opposed that from before the US lead us into that mess.

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                • Originally posted by Old Nobody View Post
                  Then OpenBLAS should use the BSD No Military License. Currently they don't. I'd be glad if they would switch.
                  Re-licensing code is hard. You have to get all the copyright holders to agree to it.

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                  • Originally posted by dimko View Post
                    Way I see it, once USSR broke down, Nato should have stopped grow to east, but that did not happen.
                    Why would you think that? If you got kidnapped and managed to escape, you'd probably start carrying a weapon or some form of protection! You don't think former Soviet states felt traumatized by the experience? It would be surprising if they didn't line up at NATO's doorstep!

                    Originally posted by dimko View Post
                    So now we have direct consequence of that and Putin was saying it for years.
                    This whole victim narrative by Putin is the real problem. NATO didn't do anything to him. It's not his real problem, it's just a convenient excuse he uses to justify his bad deeds.

                    Originally posted by dimko View Post
                    Because lets face it. There those who lead and who follow in NATO. Its not equal partnership in there due to whichever many reasons.
                    It's a voluntary club. Countries are free to leave, if they want. It's much easier than getting out of the EU, I promise you that!

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                    • Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
                      With more than 14000 deaths, Ukraine Russians have being genocided, and so Russia advanced in Ukraine to eliminate nazi extremists that are perpetuating genocide..

                      nazis didn't kill only 2000...they killed more than 14000
                      Some days ago, in just 1 day they killed more 15 and injured more than 30...in just one day!
                      It's funny how you guys manage to turn a separatist conflict, that was even manufactured by Russia, into a genocide.

                      No doubt the war in eastern Ukraine was a bad thing, but Russia is hardly blameless in that. And if that's all that was animating Putin, he could've taken only those regions.

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