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OpenBLAS 0.3.20 Adds Support For Russia's Elbrus E2000, Arm Neoverse N2/V1 CPUs
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Apologies for following you off-topic, here.
Originally posted by mshigorin View Postthe calls to get back the mortal penalty are heard now though, especially regarding pedophiles (practice shows that those don't get cured by years in prison and rathed get back to their ugly deeds when free again).
We don't kill drug or alcohol addicts, just because their condition is incurable. What needs to happen with pedophiles is perhaps more science into how their condition can be managed (addiction research might hold important clues, here), and more thought into ways their freedom can be restricted to minimize the chance of repeat offenses (after they've completed their original sentence).
They make an easy target and a useful political tool, but a good engineer (or legal architect) should embrace such a challenge to the system and want to find effective solutions that preserve the ideals of good governance. There's also a practical reason for this. The more potent a political tool it becomes, the more ripe it is for abuse. I think we're clearly seeing that.
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Originally posted by mshigorin View PostWould you stand for that in a court?
Originally posted by mshigorin View PostWestern media
Originally posted by mshigorin View PostYou're not ruled by "your government". Or to put it slighly other way around, those who rule you, you do not elect.
Originally posted by mshigorin View PostExcept that it's not that easy to crank up more diesel fuel from light oil, and the heavy oil that yields more diesel is produced in Venezuela, Russia, Iran... oops.
Originally posted by mshigorin View PostThose Americans that are blind (or cowardly?) enough to try and evade thinking long and hard of what goes on with the country they consider theirs
Though beleaguered, we still have free press and principled journalists. We have Congress performing oversight and the Freedom of Information Act. Those tools, alone, can provide quite a lot transparency into the workings of government, or what conspiracy theorists like to call "the deep state".
The ultimate defense we have is patriotism and a government where public servants pledge an oath to the Constitution.
The deeper problem with the "deep state" is the apparent fascination some of the public have with conspiracy theories, rather than what the facts actually support.
Originally posted by mshigorin View Postjust what we had in USSR with "the Party".
Originally posted by mshigorin View PostBiden elections: was it a mass coincidence?
Originally posted by mshigorin View Postshale oil needs a lot of energy put _into_ it, EROEI is pretty grim there.
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Originally posted by mSparks View PostOh, so you were talking about documents like this (link)
Destroying the conspiracy theory that the Taliban were pro opium (as a group) or OBL is why Americans and Brits had to die in the (then empty) Afghan poppy fields.
Originally posted by mSparks View PostAnd settlements like this (link)
Making pizzagate look like an amateur attempt to distract from the real evidence that lot really are all pedos.
Originally posted by mSparks View PostIf that was Russia, Andrew and Epstein would have just been taken into a field and shot in the back of the head decades ago
The thing to remember is that a fair judicial process is never 100% accurate. And while we always should strive to make it better, this can't be at the expense of convicting many more innocent defendants or meting out disproportionate punishments.
Originally posted by mSparks View PostUS and UK label them VIPs and make you pay for their security.
Originally posted by mSparks View Postpeople who want to inform people whats really going on, like say Assange and Snowden, get treated like Assange and Snowden,
I don't generally support what Assange or Wikileaks did. I think it started out as something well-intentioned and doing some actual good, but went off the rails at some point. I've read a lot about Assange and his role in that, but we needn't get further off-track.
Snowden is a different case, and someone I regard as a tragic hero. He tried to do the right things, in the best way he could, for the right reasons, and after all other options had been exhausted. He knew the risks, and probably his worst fears were proven true. I think history will look upon him more kindly than those who were embarrassed by his revelations.
Originally posted by mSparks View Postand most everyone else is left guessing, or keeping their head down trying not to draw attention to themselves.
Originally posted by mSparks View PostI've seen enough evidence that significant effort went into preventing me from seeing to make a firm decision who I think the baddies are.
I think the ultimate test is to ask yourself whether you believe something because it's convenient, or because that's really how all the most robust facts seem to line up?
Originally posted by mSparks View PostElbrus is not just any random alternative, its an ethical one - if there is such a thing.
I understand having trust issues with foreign hardware, as well. All I can say about Elrus is that I find it technically interesting for someone to be pushing a modern, VLIW-based ISA into more general computing. Politically, it makes sense for Russia to have its own CPUs. And, unfortunately, politics is the problem. Maybe it didn't have to be that way, but here we are.
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Originally posted by mshigorin View PostI still prefer it as a technically sound one.
The ethical alternative to me is Orthodoxy; look up Seraphim Rose's books, for example.
PS: it's actually hard to get shot in Russia legally -- unless one is armed and has made it very sure that others will get dead if he isn't; the calls to get back the mortal penalty are heard now though, especially regarding pedophiles (practice shows that those don't get cured by years in prison and rathed get back to their ugly deeds when free again).
Just that if/when they disappear its not headline news and a national manhunt for those who suicided them.
e.g. never seen anything like Jimmy Saville in the slavic regions. Quite the opposite, corrupt, perverted criminals actually generally go to prison or disappear -regardless of social status- rather than get raised up as national heroes and role models for the next generation.
Put that in the context of the "only one true message" in your previous post - and "rotten to the core" suddenly becomes to kind a description of the anglosaxen monarchies masquerading as democracies.Last edited by mSparks; 14 March 2022, 11:14 AM.
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Originally posted by mSparks View PostElbrus is not just any random alternative, its an ethical one - if there is such a thing.
The ethical alternative to me is Orthodoxy; look up Seraphim Rose's books, for example.
PS: it's actually hard to get shot in Russia legally -- unless one is armed and has made it very sure that others will get dead if he isn't; the calls to get back the mortal penalty are heard now though, especially regarding pedophiles (practice shows that those don't get cured by years in prison and rathed get back to their ugly deeds when free again).
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Originally posted by coder View PostDon't fall for the conspiracy theories. They might sound convincing, but when you lift the covers, there's nothing underneath.
Originally posted by coder View PostContrary to what you might think, western media isn't like what you have in Russia.
The government can't force our media to say anything. They can censor, but in a very limitied set of ways and circumstances.
You're not ruled by "your government". Or to put it slighly other way around, those who rule you, you do not elect.
As a friend of mine who returned from Israel put it, "in Israel, the country is ruled by a few dozen families and everyone and his dog knows that; in USA, the situation is the same except that most think there's democracy".
Originally posted by coder View PostThe USA is currently the world's biggest energy
Originally posted by coder View PostWe export more than we import, so it shouldn't be hard to make up for the few % we were importing from Russia.
Originally posted by coder View PostThe Deep State is the favorite boogeyman of conspiracy theories.
Originally posted by coder View PostThe reality of the "deep state" is much more mundane. You have people working in government with various agendas, but it's not like they're coordinated or obey some dark master.
A world class demonstration of that "lack of coordination" is the media activity: you do not have opinions anymore, just the channels pushing the only "true" one -- just what we had in USSR with "the Party".
Or "the democracy step" on Biden elections: was it a mass coincidence?
I don't need to force you into thinking, but I wonder how people seemingly considering themselves intelligent are so blind...
PS edit: dropped an extra [/QUOTE].
PPS: another interesting twist regarding energy balance is the end of "megatons to megawatts"; and shale oil needs a lot of energy put _into_ it, EROEI is pretty grim there.Last edited by mshigorin; 14 March 2022, 08:42 AM.
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Originally posted by coder View PostWhat I meant was that the evidence collapses, upon scrutiny.
https://www.unodc.org/pdf/publicatio...01-10-16_1.pdf
Destroying the conspiracy theory that the Taliban were pro opium (as a group) or OBL is why Americans and Brits had to die in the (then empty) Afghan poppy fields.
And settlements like this
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ffre-nt2bt3dqn
Making pizzagate look like an amateur attempt to distract from the real evidence that lot really are all pedos.
If that was Russia, Andrew and Epstein would have just been taken into a field and shot in the back of the head decades ago (which is why they hate Putin and all his strong straight white male propaganda)
US and UK label them VIPs and make you pay for their security.
Originally posted by coder View PostThere's been lots written about conspiracy theories and the characteristics and circumstance under which people fall for them.
I've seen enough evidence that significant effort went into preventing me from seeing to make a firm decision who I think the baddies are. Elbrus is not just any random alternative, its an ethical one - if there is such a thing.
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Originally posted by mSparks View PostWere you referring to conspiracy theories that have evidence, like Jeffery Epstein, Assange, Snowden, PNAC, the 2001 UN Afghan poppy survey and the Chinese hacking into the 300 US biowarfare labs all over the world and releasing their documents.
Successful conspiracy theories indeed tend have the appearance of supporting evidence. Actual facts are often used to lend a sense of legitimacy to the key claims. They depend on the populace lacking the time, energy, and resources to find the fatal flaws. So, the average person just says, "okay, here are some things I know to be true, therefore the rest is probably true, as well". Or, when they google some of the other claims, they find some results that seem in line with them, and you really have to take the time to look at the evidence to see where it utterly fails to support the claims. Or, they end up validating bad claims against bad sources - we saw a lot of this, during the pandemic: some random foreign publication that's in no way an authority on the subject matter, meanwhile an utter lack of supporting evidence from any publication better-positioned to hold forth on such matters.
Also relevant is a common mistake people make, and something that lawyers often exploit in a court of law: to think you can make up in quantity what evidence lacks in quality. Even to the point that juries will sometimes overlook a fatal flaw underpinning the entire case, if you can shovel enough evidence at them that they either don't see it or they somehow misjudge the other evidence to compensate for it.
There's been lots written about conspiracy theories and the characteristics and circumstance under which people fall for them. A lot of times, it comes down to an underlying grievance or motivating factor someone has for wanting to believe them. Rather than rehashing all of that here, I just hope everyone is aware of these tactics.
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Originally posted by coder View PostThere's nothing underneath.
"Russia has gone to war with the ukraine"
"As evidenced by a 40 mile Russian military convoy parked up and doing nothing for 3 weeks, 4 year old videos and some bad CGI"
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Were you referring to conspiracy theories that have evidence, like Jeffery Epstein, Assange, Snowden, PNAC, the 2001 UN Afghan poppy survey and the Chinese hacking into the 300 US biowarfare labs all over the world and releasing their documents.Last edited by mSparks; 13 March 2022, 03:45 PM.
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