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  • #11
    Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
    LOL, what makes you think that another ARM or RISC-V CPU will be faster? There are no other CPUs as fast as M1 outside of x86. If you want something faster you will have to pick a Zen3/4 APU.
    Currently Apple holds a virtual monopoly in ARM desktop/laptop market.
    The benefit of the M1 is its massively lower power consumption when compared to most x86 processors, while still offering a lot of performance (when compared to 99% of ARM chips out there).

    The only competitors to Apple are Ampere and Qualcomm, but the former only caters to servers (and even so, their cores don't run at M1 speeds) and the latter hasn't reached M1 levels of performance yet.

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    • #12
      This only shows how bad is intel these days. i7 is an 4 core 10nm part and M1 Pro is 8 or 10 core 5nm part with massive memory throughput.
      It is fair comparison, but also it is obvious M1 it is more than 2x faster just looking at specs.
      It would probably be faster than 8 core ryzen too (again, 5nm, memory throughput, efficient cores to save TDP, and huge L1 cache).

      But also this comes at a price - you cannot just buy another 64GB RAM sticks for $200 for any M1 machine. You cannot even buy bigger SSD.
      So thanks, but no thanks.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by sobrus View Post
        This only shows how bad is intel these days. i7 is an 4 core 10nm part and M1 Pro is 8 or 10 core 5nm part with massive memory throughput.
        It is fair comparison, but also it is obvious M1 it is more than 2x faster just looking at specs.
        Intel's 10nm is more dense than TSMC 10nm.

        It would probably be faster than 8 core ryzen too (again, 5nm, memory throughput, efficient cores to save TDP, and huge L1 cache).
        Obviously since Ryzen is only 7nm TSMC while Apple uses 5nm.

        It's not really a fair comparison between two technology node versions.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by miskol View Post
          INTEL I7 1185g7
          https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-with-ipu.html
          has 4 cores + HT

          And Apple M1 PRO
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1_Pro_and_M1_Max
          has 6 or 8 big cores + 2 small cores

          So what do you expect ?
          real cores are REAL
          2x more real cores => 2x faster
          It's the best Intel can offer against the best Apple can offer.

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          • #15
            "good enough" as a daily driver for him while acknowledging there is no working GPU acceleration, no audio support, and no suspend/resume yet.
            This guy has really low standards for what a daily driver is.

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            • #16
              All of these arguments about x86 not really being "that bad" are strongly reminiscent of the arguments from the PowerPC camp during the switchover to Intel. (process node, etc)

              There's a damn good reason that offshoot of the POWER architecture languishes today.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by sobrus View Post

                But also this comes at a price - you cannot just buy another 64GB RAM sticks for $200 for any M1 machine. You cannot even buy bigger SSD.
                So thanks, but no thanks.
                True, having everything soldiered on is a downfall, The quality of the components will keep it going way past 10 years lifespan. The SSD used is a Kioxia drive, and although you'll have trouble replacing it, You can use an external thunderbolt/usb-c as a boot drive.

                I've had several Macs over the years and never had an issue with memory, My old Mac Pro tower from 2008 is still going strong with original memory with the original Toshiba HD replaced by an SSD.

                With these M1's you DO have to make sure you spec them right for your needs before you buy.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Developer12 View Post
                  All of these arguments about x86 not really being "that bad" are strongly reminiscent of the arguments from the PowerPC camp during the switchover to Intel. (process node, etc)

                  There's a damn good reason that offshoot of the POWER architecture languishes today.
                  In fact in the 2000s there were rumors that Apple could by the PowerPC branch of Motorola. Shortly after the transition from PowerPC to i386 Apple bought PA Semi, a company previously working heavily on PowerPC. To me it looks like those days Apple had the plan to do a PowerPC CPU on their own. But not the amount of money to do that. Apple was near bankruptcy few years before. Now it's different.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by tunnelblick View Post

                    It's the best Intel can offer against the best Apple can offer.
                    That's not the fastest Intel chip.

                    The new Alder Lake based laptops are comfortably faster than the M1 - the downside is they use twice as much power to do that.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by caligula View Post
                      Intel's 10nm is more dense than TSMC 10nm.

                      Obviously since Ryzen is only 7nm TSMC while Apple uses 5nm.

                      It's not really a fair comparison between two technology node versions.
                      It doesn't need to be a fair comparison of the node.
                      It is however a good comparison of what Intel and Apple are selling.

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