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  • #41
    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    On my last PC I upgraded the CPUs 3 times....6 CPUs in total cause it was a dual socket and the CPUs were dirt cheap by then. On the two PCs before that I did 1 CPU upgrade per PC.
    By the time of the last upgrade of the dual-socket machine: Was the older dual-socket machine faster in multi-threaded workloads than a single multi-core CPU of a similar price?

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    • #42
      Originally posted by birdie View Post

      I've never told people what to do but Windows as a gaming platform just works. In my W10 installation I only have a couple of applications installed: Steam, Origin, Uplay and Firefox - zero issues for the past 15 years, and I used to run W7/XP/98SE/95OSR2/3.11 earlier. If you like to game under Linux, I'm absolutely fine with that. You may as well buy a tank and ride it to your work :-)
      Well, although is true Games run on Windows(since they are designed for it) and win10 is less a mess than previous version your assertion is not always true. Sure if you open an game and play it as intended yeah is very likely it will work great and is also true it will run best on nVidia since they strong arm many studios to use only/first their gaming tools and even give them money to make it so.

      But when you mod like me Linux is actually better, for example modding Skyrim SE/AE on Windows you will crash at some point due to the single thread from hell(the game for some reason although uses many thread there is always 1 pegging the core 100%) or memory leaks But on Linux Skyrim use the CPU beautifully, never peg that 1 core and for me on RADV never crashes(350+ mods + enb).

      Also with Linux you are not tied to whatever hardware Microsoft/Intel/nVidia feel is cool(Threadripper/Multi CPU/many threads systems, etc. etc. game fine on Linux).

      Also there for power users Linux is better for gaming for the simple reason is Linux.

      Expanding on that for me there is no issues playing a nice MMO or skyrim or whatever on a dual socket E5 Xeon whilst is doing very heavy computation, containers/virtualization, basic develop/design tools, AI inference on secondary GPU, basic service like databases/web server/ reverse proxy, whilst i have several dozens of tabs open on 5 different browsers because i can easily control how those resources are used and be sure there is enough left for my game while other stuff get done in the background.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by perpetually high View Post
        Nothing beats Linux, my guy.
        Except when seasoned IT pros cannot even get Linux to work:



        And funny how r/Linux moderators have locked the thread where people shared their issues with "nothing beats Linux". You, sir, are full of ...LOST CARRIER

        Your debugging attempts at wasting time trying to make games run under Linux/Proton/Wine/DXVK are surely appreciated. No irony about that. Valve is especially grateful.

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        • #44
          This comment thread is ridiculous. Can’t we have open discussion around the article rather than back and forth discussion obsessing over the minutiae of what’s a better deal for x, y or z.

          the first few posts were clearly trolls - I think we all agree gaming results are not a mess on windows, and has lots of room to grow on Linux.

          we should also acknowledge that AM4 boards with zen 5000 support are generally cheaper and so that does somewhat offset the cheaper intel prices. Exact trade off is incredibly use case specific YMMV. but don’t kid yourself cross comparing pricing for bargain bin MB for AM4 against flagship AL boards without acknowledging the significant platform benefits of the later. Surely better comparisons will be possible in a few weeks once the cheaper platform options are launched.

          Can we also agree that all has nothing to do with this article, and move on?

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          back on topic

          power efficiency for 8P [+ HT] + 8E was really impressive vs 8P [HT]. Seems to validate intel's choice to go heterogeneous and that is despite the kernel lacking heterogeneous aware scheduling for AL. Should only improve going forward.

          it’s too bad you can’t completely disable the P cores. Cam CPU pinning/affinity be set such that the one P core is never used by the task under test? Or was that done and I missed it?

          It would also be nice to see efficiency and total power to complete tasks in addition to the perf and power plots.

          seconding the request to see an AMD part added for comparison sake. But keep in mind comparing CPU consumption across brands/generations does not capture the full picture if your concern is anything other than bragging rights. You need to measure power at the wall to do that properly (ex: RAM and platform controller are significant power consumers)

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          • #45
            Originally posted by birdie View Post

            Except when seasoned IT pros cannot even get Linux to work
            LOL. Get the hell out of here.

            I barely followed that LTT debacle, but that was a Pop OS f*ck up. And a rookie mistake on how to handle it. Nothing more, nothing less. No one should be using that garbage, poor excuse for OS. They should have been using Ubuntu since it's targeted towars beginners. Let others graduate to arch, gentoo, whatever. LTT really made Linux look unnecessarily stupid there.

            I also find it very bizarre and troubling that you frequent a Linux forum, just to shit on it. Seek help, loser.

            EDIT: Michael, you should ban the troll with multiple accounts. While he provides some good info, he is a troll. Nothing more, nothing less. Probably hurts your website because people won't take it seriously. He's a distraction. That's all.
            Last edited by perpetually high; 20 December 2021, 01:42 PM.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by perpetually high View Post

              LOL. Get the hell out of here.

              I barely followed that LTT debacle, but that was Pop OS f*ck up. And a rookie mistake on how to handle it. Nothing more, nothing less.

              I find it very bizarre and troubling that you frequent a Linux forum, just to shit on it. Seek help, loser.
              Ah, so there are "right" and "wrong" Linux distros and only you know which one to choose. Sorry, I'm not going down that pit hole. Jokes aside this sentiment completely discredits and invalidates the idea of Linux as a gaming platform only you don't quite see it. You believe every person out there is an IT pro and will gladly spend tens of hours trying to get games to run under a platform which doesn't quite facilitate running proprietary games using a different API altogether.

              And I'm here ostensibly trying to convert people. Nope, sorry, not a single person among my friends or acquaintances will ever see Linux installed on their devices. I want to sleep tight and not be woken up by screams that someone's system boots into a black screen or doesn't allow them to log in. My poor six years old (!) laptop with integrated Intel graphics has its graphics broken for 2 months now and I'm just too lazy to report or bisect it. Don't want this crap applied to people I don't want to harm.

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              • #47
                birdie

                I'm not sure what "battle" you think you're fighting here, but it is not noble and it is actually pure garbage.

                You don't really deserve a further response after this post. It would just be taking the bait, which I think we all need to ban you. Has nothing to do with censorship. You've lost your priveleges to frequent the forum because you are a complete, utter troll. And not a good one. You're not even funny.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by perpetually high View Post
                  birdie

                  I'm not sure what "battle" you think you're fighting here, but it is not noble and it is actually pure garbage.

                  You don't really deserve a further response after this post. It would just be taking the bait, which I think we all need to ban you. Has nothing to do with censorship. You've lost your priveleges to frequent the forum because you are a complete, utter troll. And not a good one. You're not even funny.
                  So, Linus Gabriel Sebastian's poor experience with Linux is me baiting and trolling? Or r/Linux moderators forbidding to discuss the topic? Or you blatantly stating that PopOS is a bad/inappropriate Linux distro? Sorry, mate, if me providing these facts is "pure garbage" I have nothing else to discuss with you. Looks like your final line of "reasoning" here is insults and I prefer to talk to civil and rational people instead.
                  Last edited by birdie; 20 December 2021, 01:54 PM.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by birdie View Post

                    So, Linus Gabriel Sebastian's poor experience with Linux is me baiting and trolling? Or r/Linux moderators forbidding to discuss the topic? Or you blatantly stating that PopOS is a bad/inappropriate Linux distro? Sorry, mate, if me providing these facts is "pure garbage" I have nothing else to discuss with you. Looks like your final line of "reasoning" here is insults and I prefer to talk to civil and rational people instead.
                    You sound like an absolute idiot typing out his full name like that. And no, he is not an experienced Linux user. He misstepped, and he'll probably tell you that himself. The Anthony guy is legit and I've seen a few of his videos in the past.

                    Second, nice try backpedaling after all the bullshit you threw into the thread and then acting like you're taking some moral high ground. Foh.

                    Third, I give a rats ass about coming off as "civil" .. instead, I treat the situation how it deserves to be respected. And you deserve nothing. And you're not fooling absolutely anyone with "my friends" Cut the phony act. Not fooling anyone. Take the best of care.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by birdie View Post

                      So, Linus Gabriel Sebastian's poor experience with Linux is me baiting and trolling? Or r/Linux moderators forbidding to discuss the topic? Or you blatantly stating that PopOS is a bad/inappropriate Linux distro? Sorry, mate, if me providing these facts is "pure garbage" I have nothing else to discuss with you. Looks like your final line of "reasoning" here is insults and I prefer to talk to civil and rational people instead.
                      1.) PopOS issue was an APT-GET issue + Pop OS issue and this was not great but it could technically happened on Ubuntu/mint/debian/etc. so you are correct is not a POP OS specific issue.

                      2.) Linus also stated that weird shit happens on Windows too but people are way more used to it and notice i had tons of cases where a regular user was able to format C: and blew his workstation.

                      3.) forbidding a topic is always bad, i agree here

                      Basically if you have 0 expertise on anything and wanna game buy a damn console.

                      If you have some expertise and have some good hardware with windows around, just use it

                      If you are a Linux user and have good hardware and wanna game, go for it.

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