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Originally posted by Anux View Post
Whoever had old and new Thinkpads would never say "build quality as always". If you can tell me, what modern Thinkpads do better than other business models from HP, Dell, etc. then do so. Else I stay by it, those Thinkpads have nothing to do with the old ones.
Its extremely easy to have a laptop with good quality that is as thick as a brick.
Also you are greatly exaggerating the decline of build quality, you are making it sound like that the Thinkpad line has turned into bendy el chepo acer laptop
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Originally posted by sdack View PostYou wish!
I read your original comment as just being about upscaling, when the point you were trying to make was for (one of) the opposite cases, supersampling. (A word that would have saved us both some effort! :P)
Assuming I've understood your walloftext this time: are you seriously telling me that Lenovo are claiming this is a 4K system just because it's "capable of" driving a 4K display at a reasonable framerate, but actually just has a 1080p display attached? If so, wow - I'm genuinely lost for words. I mean, I know we're living in a post-truth world right now, but even so, that's a staggering distortion of reality. Holy crap.
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostUh yes it is
Broadly speaking people do actually want thinner and lighter thinkpads
Whoever had old and new Thinkpads would never say "build quality as always". If you can tell me, what modern Thinkpads do better than other business models from HP, Dell, etc. then do so. Else I stay by it, those Thinkpads have nothing to do with the old ones.
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Originally posted by Anux View PostYou mean those consumer laptops, that have absolutley nothing to do with Thinkpads, that got the Think* brand slapped on to leverage on the reputation of the old days?
I mean newsflash, Lenovo added new product lines, what a crime! They were trying to target different market segments.
Originally posted by Anux View PostThats not aviable anymore.
Originally posted by Anux View PostAnd you seem to ignore, that the whole Thinkpad lineup stood for versatility not just the Workstation. Beeing a brick also was never a requirement, more so a sacrifice. The latest Thinkpad i had in hand was so thin, that they couldn't fit a proper LAN-port on it. What did those geniuses do? Slapped on something with a "flexible" plastic part, you had to bend to put in your cable. Ofcourse it broke after a few plugs, thats your perfect build quality right here.
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Originally posted by asasione View Post
Weirdly enough such models like ThinkBook 16P are region locked for some annoying reason, I had no idea that device was even existed till you mentioned it because I use US region for my purchases and it simply isn't there
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Side note and slightly off topic, I finally figured out how to get 5.0 GHz on my strongest core on my 5800X. 46.25 all-core. Prime95 stable. Definitely takes a bit of tuning but it's doable. Most users are better off just PBO Auto, though.
Here's zenmonitor3 after a kernel compile. Love this damn chip.
PBO for example:
Linux has no notion of "fastest core" so it just bounces around. Windows knows which is the fastest and uses that core for all single-core apps.
So I think on Linux, you're probably better off just using PBO Auto and letting all cores get that 4.7-4.85GHz goodness (albeit at 1.45V) and only 4.45GHz all-core, as opposed to maybe 4.6 GHz all-core and 5.0GHz a single core (1.368V or so), but no notion of a fastest core on Linux so some benchmarks might be so slower and you'll have greater variance.
Power usage is x2 btw, to account for the additional threads. So about 145-150W full load.
edit!!!: If there's a will, there's a way
4.65 all-core, 4.925 single-core, almost every core. Someone tipped me off of the following settings that were a game changer:
PPT 200, TDC 88, EDC 120
Once I set it to that, I set everything else back to Auto, then set the Curve Optimizer to Negative 30 all-cores, and that's it.
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Originally posted by reba View PostSnagged up a Lenovo myself some months ago and as this seems to be a purchase recommendation thread by now I can recommend the "ThinkBook 16p G2 ACH" (20YM000B).
Reasons for me were the better looks than a ThinkPad, the Ryzen Zen 3 R9, 32 GiB RAM and a very nice display. Don't know the current price but then it was a good deal.
Also supports Battery Conservation Mode (charge only to 60%).
Linux support is very god, despite the Nvidia dGPU (3060). Looking forward to their progress.
Bad is connectivity and port placement. Also fans ramp up quite often, but this seems to be the case for every Lenovo laptop.
Hope it lasts a while...
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostI find it hilarious the people here dumping on Lenovo for apparently killing the thinkpad when they don't even realize that there are multiple thinkpad lines.
Yeah, the newer thinner thinkpads such as the t14s isn't as versatile as the bricks we had int he old days, but if you want a brick thats highly configurable then get a p51 or something along those lines.
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I find it hilarious the people here dumping on Lenovo for apparently killing the thinkpad when they don't even realize that there are multiple thinkpad lines.
Yeah, the newer thinner thinkpads such as the t14s isn't as versatile as the bricks we had int he old days, but if you want a brick thats highly configurable then get a p51 or something along those lines.
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