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  • #61
    Originally posted by jabl View Post
    Sure, but there are environmental costs to be paid in other things than energy too, like pollution from mining and refining raw materials, recycling at end-of-life as mentioned, and whatever.
    and we have measure for costs, it's called money. production of energy for old hardware also needs mining and refining
    Originally posted by jabl View Post
    And there's certainly a good case to be made that the world is generally undercounting such environmental costs.
    then you should focus on fixing this problem instead of inventing problems which don't exist

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    • #62
      Originally posted by pal666 View Post
      and we have measure for costs, it's called money.
      Thank your for this blinding insight. I'm sure the Nobel Economics prize is headed your way already.

      production of energy for old hardware also needs mining and refining
      Nobody is suggesting we produce more old ("new old"?) hardware to satisfy those who think it might make ecological or economical sense to use old hardware. The point is obviously to extend the lifespan of existing old hardware instead of throwing it away and replacing it with something newly produced.

      then you should focus on fixing this problem instead of inventing problems which don't exist
      Which non-existing problem have I been inventing, pray tell? That there are costs (ecological, say) not borne by producers or consumers of gadgets? Surely a Nobel-caliber genius like you has heard about the concept of externalities before?

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      • #63
        People conveniently ignore that old hardware can be recycled, which saves costs on mining, transporting etc of materials for the new hardware...

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        • #64
          Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

          AMD Phenom(tm) 8400 Triple-Core Processor

          The slowest processor I have.

          I am thinking it could be due to unoptimized SSH daemon (this is openSUSE Leap) or using a cipher which is too complicated for the processor...
          That explains it, Phenom 1 with 2.1 GHz and I have Phenom 2 with 3.2 GHz. The SFTP encryption probably uses only 1 core.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by pal666 View Post
            and we have measure for costs, it's called money. production of energy for old hardware also needs mining and refining
            then you should focus on fixing this problem instead of inventing problems which don't exist
            Unless he runs it off solar energy coming from the top of his house's roof.. popular recently.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by aht0 View Post
              Unless he runs it off solar energy coming from the top of his house's roof.. popular recently.
              it still can be measured in money. energy for production can also come from solar panels btw

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jabl View Post
                Nobody is suggesting we produce more old ("new old"?) hardware
                nobody was talking about costs of production of it either. i was talking about cost of powering existing old energy-inefficient hardware

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post

                  No it is not. At this point, and with energy prices skyrocketing, it makes no sense to use such an old and power hungry system for that role. The money you are going to save just on electricity alone can pay for even a new budget system.....
                  Unfortunately this is not the case unless your new budget system is a used laptop or an OEM PC specifically built for low power. Desktops have idled at about 50 W for like 10 years.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                    People conveniently ignore that old hardware can be recycled, which saves costs on mining, transporting etc of materials for the new hardware...
                    Recycling often costs more (money) than mining.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Firnefex View Post

                      Recycling often costs more (money) than mining.
                      Might cost more but adds less contamination into environment. Might wanna look up how much fresh water etc gets fouled in process of chip manufacturing..

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