This is a conspiracy, i say, to make Intel look bad on Linux!. If people can claim that MS is purposely messing with Ryzen, such as was claimed when AMD introduced the 3990X and now with Win 11, then I can claim that this is done on purpose to sabotage Alder Lake on Linux.
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Originally posted by lethalwp View Posti wonder, since it s a desktop, should nt we just ignore E cores and go full perfs?
Even the now-ancient SpeedStep/EIST/etc already provides analogous behavior: idle cores are cut down to half speed or less, with a corresponding reduction in power draw, and completely idle cores can even power-gate - but they're ALL still *capable* of actually performing well, unlike the E-cores. On a *desktop* CPU I'd much rather see improvements in the gating etc than have half the cost of my CPU going to pay for garbage cores that are literally useless for half the things I want a PC to do.
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Can somebody (perhaps Michael) with access to an Alder Lake box and a fresh kernel run:
Code:grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpu_capacity
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Originally posted by arQon View Post
Pretty much, yeah. There isn't really anything fundamentally "wrong" with the concept, but it's far from unreasonable to say that you have no interest at all in running gimped cores to save a miniscule amount of power, when all that silicon could have gone to larger caches etc instead.
Even the now-ancient SpeedStep/EIST/etc already provides analogous behavior: idle cores are cut down to half speed or less, with a corresponding reduction in power draw, and completely idle cores can even power-gate - but they're ALL still *capable* of actually performing well, unlike the E-cores. On a *desktop* CPU I'd much rather see improvements in the gating etc than have half the cost of my CPU going to pay for garbage cores that are literally useless for half the things I want a PC to do.
If you don't want to pay for E-cores, Intel has got you covered (for this generation at least) with the smaller die that will be used in several CPUs including a 6-core i5-12400, quad-core i3-12300 and i3-12100, and apparently a dual-core Pentium G7400. If your PC is only doing lightly threaded tasks, you could be just fine with even the Pentium. Those CPUs will probably be announced in January at CES 2022.
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Originally posted by geearf View PostWhy is that?
Is it because of the cost on context switch and alike?
Alder Lake is 8+8 for the Core i9.
Raptor Lake will have 8+16 for the Core i9.
A future Lake (possibly Meteor or Arrow) is rumored to have 8+32 for the Core i9.
The trend is clear. Maybe the big core count will also go up, so you could see 12+64 or 16+256 after a few generations.
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Do note that the die space of 1 Colden Cove is estimated to be about equivalent to 2 Milan(full Zen3) cores.
And that the Renoir core (cache reduced zen2) is about half the size.
Meaning 1 E core is about the size of a Renoir core, which makes it not that small.
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Originally posted by avem View Post
They are not gimmicky for Christ's sake. Their power efficiency is a lot higher than P-cores, which means they are an extremely good fit for heavy MT tasks. In fact it's been rumored that Intel wants to have more of them in Raptor Lake. And AMD has been rumored to have them in Zen 5.
Of course if you don't care about MT performance you may not want them at all and Intel has got you covered, 12500, 12400 and other ADL CPUs won't have e-cores at all.
its a gimmick calling them 12 core cpus when they are basically a 6 core cpu with a raspberry pi or two strapped on.
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Originally posted by mSparks View Post
reasonably sure p cores are waaay more efficient than e cores when run at the same frequency.
its a gimmick calling them 12 core cpus when they are basically a 6 core cpu with a raspberry pi or two strapped on.
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