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Originally posted by sdack View PostIt is actually not quite true that Apple would be the only company. Fujitsu with their A64FX design has also created a "high-performance low-power ARM design". Technically does about any ARM-based chip fall into such a category, each for their respective market, because delivering high-performance at a low-power consumption is the key feature of the ARM design.
Anyhow, I still think Fujitsu has made a better design, going straight for plenty of cores and HBM. Apple creating a monstrous 50b+ transistor chip by packing an assortment of units onto it and connecting it to LPDDR5 just makes me cringe. It is a practical design, but it is also like nothing had been learned from the issues of CISC designs, but we are back at implementing a unit for every occasion even when these never all get used most times and we again end up with unused potential. It makes me wonder what happens when one were to run an application that did make use of all units. Will the chip run too hot, will it throttle down, will it expose bottlenecks in the design? ...
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Originally posted by coder View Post"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
What Apple built is an APU. It's functionally equivalent to mainstream Intel CPUs, AMD APUs, and console chips. If you think it's wrong to put the GPU & video blocks on the same die as the CPU cores, then you should level the same complaints at all of them.
SOCs cannot be scaled beyond a certain point by physical limitations, and the computing power in M1 is impressive, but it is not mind boggling huge. As far as NVME failing, the RAM can fail as well and it cannot be replaced. Besides, Apple has made it impossible for anybody to swap out the NVME with a blank one, if I read a few repair blog posts right. Not the kind of product to rely upon if it fails.
I really appreciate having modular parts, with different manufacturers, and individual warranty, that come blank as slate and are not tied so some company with a hard coded serial ID. Traditional desktop computing is not going anywhere.
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Originally posted by coder View PostIf the code you run on them is the same
When you play a game for two hours on your gaming PC, you don't give a fsck how much power it is drawing unless that becomes a heating problem. The 0.42 cents difference on the electricity bill is negligible when compared to the money you spent to buy the gaming desktop and the videogames (or even the MacBookPro to that extent).
Originally posted by coder View Poststill interesting to see the progression of their sophistication, if purely from a technical perspective.
Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
Currently (two machines, one is a dinosaur desktop turned into server and another is a more powerful server): ~300Wh = 7200W/day = 216kW/month = $37.80/month
M1: ~15Wh = 360W/day = 10.8kW/month = $1.89/month
I would save $35.91 per month...
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
57 billion transistors. That's a huge chip.
Some quick math puts the CPU side a bit over 10bn transistors, which lines up very closely with a 5950X CPU.
The GPU is then ~47bn, which is a lot higher than even the high end discrete AMD/NVidia GPUs, which I believe are around 27-28bn transistors. Apple is probably running their hardware at significantly lower clockspeeds to get lower power usage.
A Ryzen 58XX/59XX mobile APUs 8C/16T with caches, IO and 8 CU GPU totals 10.7b transistors while the M1 Pro is 37b and M1 Max is 57b. AMD could literally triple the core count, GPU size and still have a smaller chip.
Obviously Apple has a lead, but a lot of that is $$ spent on silicon area, as the Price vs Performance vs Area tradeoffs for XPU design Apple has just said fuck-it to the Area to win the rest and absorb the higher cost of the M1 into the products price. As a consumer buying the products, that's great, but I don't think the advantage will last ongoing, especially as they still have a monolithic chip design.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostAnyhow, I still think Fujitsu has made a better design, going straight for plenty of cores and HBM. Apple creating a monstrous 50b+ transistor chip by packing an assortment of units onto it and connecting it to LPDDR5 just makes me cringe.
Originally posted by sdack View Postwe are back at implementing a unit for every occasion even when these never all get used most times
Originally posted by sdack View PostIt makes me wonder what happens when one were to run an application that did make use of all units. Will the chip run too hot, will it throttle down, will it expose bottlenecks in the design? ...
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Originally posted by Developer12 View PostI don't have to "think" it happened. It's a known part of the M1 microarchitecture.
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Originally posted by Slartifartblast View PostTheir buying power stops others from using advanced nodes at TSMC.
Anyhow, I still think Fujitsu has made a better design, going straight for plenty of cores and HBM. Apple creating a monstrous 50b+ transistor chip by packing an assortment of units onto it and connecting it to LPDDR5 just makes me cringe. It is a practical design, but it is also like nothing had been learned from the issues of CISC designs, but we are back at implementing a unit for every occasion even when these never all get used most times and we again end up with unused potential. It makes me wonder what happens when one were to run an application that did make use of all units. Will the chip run too hot, will it throttle down, will it expose bottlenecks in the design? ...
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Originally posted by tildearrow View PostIt's very sad that Apple is the only company with a high-performance low-power ARM design.
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Originally posted by nranger View PostThat's a very good point. Apple supports older iPhones with updates longer, largely because their 30% cut of app-store revenue makes it profitable to do so. It makes sense to make the "ownership marketing" experience consistent across all their products. The more their walled garden keeps consumers in the ecosystem, the more opportunity for Apple to make money selling them a watch, a display, an iPad, a copy of Final Cut, etc, etc.
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