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Originally posted by sdack View PostDo not mind coder's comments. He is funny like baby Stewie from Family Guy. Gets excited about anything that is new, runs off on a tangent whenever possible, and otherwise throws a tantrum when the rest of the world does not quite share his view. Just let him be happy.
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Originally posted by sedsearch View PostMost advanced - that's blind praise.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostI think even the high end processors that come out of Qualcomm
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostIcost less than $150 for OEMs. Most regular chips are like $50, since Chinese companies make most mid-range phones in $200-300 range.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostIt is not that these companies are not capable
Originally posted by sedsearch View Postwhen their bread and butter is regular phones, there's no point building $1000 chips that beat desktop processors.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostWindows is not very eager to jump into ARM since x86 is a huge market,
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostAndroid is unwilling to go onto laptops.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostThe technology is not the most advanced - except for buying access to latest semiconductor nodes.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostOther ARM manufacturers are perfectly capable of pulling this off
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostDon't high end camera makers like Red/Arri already have ARM based chips that can do 8k 120fps?
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Originally posted by sedsearch View PostAs far as NVME failing, the RAM can fail as well and it cannot be replaced.
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostI really appreciate having modular parts, with different manufacturers, and individual warranty, that come blank as slate
Originally posted by sedsearch View PostTraditional desktop computing is not going anywhere.
It's also quite conceivable that AMD and Intel will embrace in-package DRAM. I actually expected it'd have already happened, by now. At least, for high-end mobile. However, I very much expected Apple to be one of the first, and it appears I was right about that!
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Originally posted by lucrus View PostSure, you can run the same code, but usually you have a Ryzen 7 5800X based gaming desktop and a M1 based MacBook Pro. You won't take your gaming desktop on the go and you won't run it on a battery cell pack. You won't turn it into a energy efficient server and the same holds true for your MacBook Pro, though for different reasons.
However, I find it weird that you seize on desktop Ryzen CPUs, as if AMD doesn't have APUs in the same classes of machines that M1 Pro/Max are for.
Originally posted by lucrus View Postthe same progression can be observed in a more useful way by comparing the M1 to some AMD/Intel/whatever MOBILE counterpart.
Anyway, the cores in their desktop & laptop CPUs are the same, as is most of the stuff around them (caches, memory controllers, etc.). Aside from power budgets, there's not much differences between the laptop APUs and desktop CPUs.
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Originally posted by coder View PostSo long ago (January 2009) that it's merely a historical footnote. The part they sold wasn't their core GPU team, but rather the Bitboys, Oy acquisition they made in2006.
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I never heard about Qualcomm licensing anything, and their Adreno GPUs remain quite competitive.
Originally posted by coder View PostMediaTek is in bed with Nvidia, recently announcing they'd be releasing SoCs containing Nvidia GPU IP. Even promising PC-level gaming capabilities, in future iterations. It's be a major shift in direction for them to jump ship and move to AMD.
I've not heard of anyone in the mobile space licensing AMD GPU IP other than Samsung, which was initially described as more of a partnership (i.e. Samsung making its own customizations to RDNA, rather than taking AMD's IP as-is or paying AMD to do it like Sony and MS do).
In summary, odds are your interpretation is the correct one and since I specifically said "confirmed", I have to retract that statement since it was apparently only a rumour going around.
Originally posted by coder View PostNot once ARM hits a tipping-point. Intel will be ready with their own ARM CPUs, but we won't hear a peep about it, before then. The last thing they want to do is create any doubt among their existing customers around their long-term commitment to x86-64. If you knew that even the mighty Intel no longer believed in the future of x86, maybe you'd switch to an existing ARM solution, rather than wait until Intel gets into the game.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostI know and it is a bit sad, but Apple, being fully committed to this pragmatism, does hit the sweet spot for younger generations. They do not need hardware that is future-proof with lots of general-purpose cores, but they need hardware that runs the current technologies well so they can make their first experiences with it. This is where Apple's design matters. The younger generations have less use for tomorrow's technologies when they first need to learn about today's technologies in general. And when their laptops then become outdated in just a couple of years, do they simply get a new laptop for Christmas.
I personally would rather have a 48- or 64-core ARM machine than an M1, because I already know how fast technologies change and prefer a machine that is still of some use in 5 to 8 years for me. Only people like me do not matter much, because I do not buy a new machine every year and do not contribute much to the companies' turn-over.
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Originally posted by Slartifartblast View PostAFX64 is built on 7nm, Apple have already bought up most 3nm production at TSMC.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...ac-iphone-ipad
I personally would rather have a 48- or 64-core ARM machine than an M1, because I already know how fast technologies change and prefer a machine that is still of some use in 5 to 8 years for me. Only people like me do not matter much, because I do not buy a new machine every year and do not contribute much to the companies' turn-over.
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Originally posted by sedsearch View PostMost advanced - that's blind praise. ...
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Originally posted by coder View PostAre you aware they designed these cores from scratch? Their CPU cores are far-and-away the most advanced in the world, .....
What's impressive about it are, as with any Apple Soc, the CPU cores, themselves. What's more is to have this much compute power in a thin-and-light laptop form factor. It will enable laptops in a class entirely of their own.
Apple has its own software ecosystem. Windows is not very eager to jump into ARM since x86 is a huge market, and Android is unwilling to go onto laptops. Apple found itself in a unique advantage where it had ecosystem, ton of money to buy companies or loop in staff from competitors, and dedicated cult following. The technology is not the most advanced - except for buying access to latest semiconductor nodes.
Other ARM manufacturers are perfectly capable of pulling this off - but they don't have a software ecosystem to jump into. Don't high end camera makers like Red/Arri already have ARM based chips that can do 8k 120fps? Somebody is making those chips and it is not Apple.
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