AMD Energy Monitoring Driver Slated To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel

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Some of the more recent issues involving ROCm are related to compatibility with the opensource graphics stack. Fortunately for Xylinx, they only have compute to worry about, so that should be a non-issue.

And I think the word is that those ROCm/graphics problems are fixed upstream, and also a non-issue for people taking the prepackaged drivers from AMD.


Of course they do, because they've got nothing else on the market, and they want to sell CPUs. That doesn't make it a good long-term strategy, though. If an Intel Xeon with AVX-512 and VNNI is a riding lawn mower, then a Nvidia A100 GPU is a jet plane. That's the magnitude of difference, and yet you can get an A100 card for less than the price of Intel's top-end CPUs for a dual-processor server.

So, that's another example of you swallowing their marketing BS as if it's something real.


Not sure about that. 2 years ago, that was probably right. Nowadays. AMD has proven they're a real player in the server market, and have compelling features and advantages.


First off, Dell totally dragged their feet on embracing EPYC. Dell likes to do things like forcing customers to buy a second processor, if they want to put a GPU in their 2U server. EPYC has so many PCIe lanes that the same trick doesn't fly. So, Dell has to think of other ways to milk customers.

Also, a lot of shops are setup to deal with Intel & their technologies (stuff like vPRO) and change requires work. So, laziness takes hold and they tend to keep buying Intel, unless they really need what AMD is offering. You can never just flip the whole market, overnight.

Finally, AMD has a limited and relatively inflexible production allocation from TSMC. They couldn't ramp that up to replace all of Intel's sales volume, in the current market. So, if you're buying a server and the lead time on AMD is 18 weeks but the Intel server would ship out in 2 days, then you buy the Intel server unless you really need/want the AMD one.


Ice Lake can't even clock as high as Zen 2. That doesn't look like parity to me. Maybe Tiger Lake does, but that's still not where the bulk of Intel's production is at.


Funny how they apparently haven't heard that. If no one cares about gaming, then why did AMD make a dedicated RDNA architecture that's optimized for graphics? Why did Nvidia split off the 100-series from the rest of their lineup? And why is Intel using separate architectures and even different fabs, specifically for the gaming market?

But, don't let facts get in the way of you narrative.


I've done well by just following the standard advice. Getting screwed by Wall St. means different things, depending on context. If we're talking about mutual funds, yeah they tend to charge excessive fees, but you still make bigger returns than stuffing your wad under your mattress or even in a savings account. But there are lower-fee options and assets that are subject to more or less volatility. Most people invest, because it tends to work out well for them -- unlike Vegas, where the longer you stay in a casino, the more you tend to lose.

Talking about 401(k) and IRAs, they have tax advantages that are like a free bonus from the federal government. I believe in paying the taxes I owe, but that was done as an incentive for people to save for retirement, so I have no problem taking advantage of it.

You didn't get what I said about Intel CLAIMING node size parity with AMD. They can't NOW for obvious reasons. But AFTER their release at scale of their 7nm products Intel marketing will begin to crow about their 5nm products. They will NOT BE 5nm. They will be 7nm +. But in order to match AMD marketing Intel will claim it so. That policy is already out and being openly talked about by Intel.

https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2021/03/whats-in-a-nanometer-intel-may-renumber-its-chips.html

As for AMD being a real player in the server market , yes, a thousand times yes, do I agree. They were also from 2000-2006. Then....they "Bulldozed" themselves just as Intel unf***ed themselves from the Pentium 4 disaster. I see that happening again, because AMD has no, zip, nada, nothing in the way of ANY kind of A.I strategy much less a coherent one.

So what that AMD as well as everyone else has bifurcated GPUs for visuals and GPUs for compute. Just as both AMD and Intel are Server CPU companies first THEN they fuse off certain features or bad areas found in manufacturing to make their "Consumer" CPUs the same goes for "Visual" GPUs. There is a EVER growing rapacious need for high end visualizations from organizations and the military that have unlimited budgets to buy $3,000 Visual GPUs that should only be $800. And so on down the line. That's even worse in compute. This is the WHOLE reason AMD took away my ability as a tinkerer, an experimenter, a learner and maybe a garage innovator in the realm of HSA and affordable GPGPU compute killing off true in die HSA cache coherent computing on the desktop ( Kaveri, Carrizo and the amazing Bristol Ridge ) AND affordable GPGPU compute with Vega cards to instead make me an offer on an unaffordable CDNA card OR an increasingly unaffordable RDNA card if I want visuals. But not both .

Finally as the son of an accountant ( now passed on ) and at my advanced age I know all about IRAs and 401k and everything else that Corporations have been buying out Congress Criminals for decades so as not to have to take care of the employees that made them what they are today. . .that being Quasi-Goverments within the Government beholden to no one but the Banks who they themselves are beholden to no one. Cartels all the way down. I'll just keep my cash for myself when I need it and as I need it thank you very much. I will not support the Thieves Guild known as Wall Street even if it were to financially be of benefit to me. I have friends who after 2008 will have to work at an Amazon Fulfillment Center for the rest of their miserable lives because they will never get back what they lost even now or in the future. And they weren't even house flipping gambler at the time. Nope....I've learned how to live VERY lean so that my Social Security check will be MORE than enough until I shuffle off my mortal coil as we all must do. Besides...just as all that useless shit we hoard as humans, and I add money to that useless shit we hoard, can disappear in a heartbeat. What then? And when you die, if you were lucky to hold on to any of that useless shit including money, you can't take it with you. Better to learn early how to live without it. Because when it goes, you will not mourn its passing. Or at least not nearly as much. Makes one more resilient. Makes one more free.

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An additional bit of info on Intel's cunnung plan to compete with TMSC on node size and to help get billions from the US Government to bolster domestic chip making during this time of chip supply crisis.

TLDR:. Call everything 7nm ...5nm.
Ta Daaaa....Intel's BACK baby !!!

https://semiaccurate.com/2021/04/07/intel-should-not-rename-their-processes/

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" Intel will spend $20 billion on new Arizona factories, doubling down on manufacturing instead of divesting "

Yeah....19 billion will be spent on marketing all their 7nm products as 5nm.

https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2021/03/intel-will-spend-20-billion-on-new-arizona-factories-doubling-down-on-manufacturing-instead-of-divesting.html

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Can polkit be used for this?

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Corporations have been buying out Congres

I sat in on a very enlightening talk by an accountant for a corporation that I worked for, once. Basically, he said that modern, multinationals are like investment banks. All the real work happens down in the businesses they own. The corporations, themselves, basically just move around piles of money, acquire & spin-off businesses, merge, split, etc.

That wasn't actually the point of his talk -- it was actually about cashflow or something. But, he couldn't very well explain his point without explaining a certain amount about how the corporation actually worked.

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TLDR:. Call everything 7nm ...5nm.
Ta Daaaa....Intel's BACK baby !!!

I honestly don't care what they call it. As long as they can compete on price, performance, efficiency (pick any 2), they'll do alright. If not, they have a long way to fall.

As you're fond of pointing out, ARM will not give them an easy time.

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I sat in on a very enlightening talk by an accountant for a corporation that I worked for, once. Basically, he said that modern, multinationals are like investment banks. All the real work happens down in the businesses they own. The corporations, themselves, basically just move around piles of money, acquire & spin-off businesses, merge, split, etc.

That wasn't actually the point of his talk -- it was actually about cashflow or something. But, he couldn't very well explain his point without explaining a certain amount about how the corporation actually worked.

That's exactly right. Even banks_( at least banks of a certain size and portfolio )_ are not even banks but "Bank Holding Companies". I'm sure some of this is due to regulations, some to tax purposes, some due to liability purposes and as a firewall from both legal jeopardy and or financial jeopardy of one unit overtaking the other, etc. etc.

And here in the States, Corporations are considered a "Person" which because of that supremely wise decision by our supremely wise Supreme Court 140 some odd years ago they collectively have re-instated the European Feudal regimen our Founding Fathers at least on paper fought to get away from. At least for White Men...who owned land...and slaves....which got you 3/5th more vote and represention per slave, but NOT for women and NOT for Blacks and NOT for Native Americans. <ahem>

And now we all get to work and experience Feudalism on plantations known as Walmart and Amazon Fulfillment Centers or Google and Facebook where your labor and output go unpaid on their platforms because YOU are the product.

And cashflow and moving money around is actually not technically the main function of these behemoths. It's Capital flow, which can include abstract concepts like money but more to the point it's the movement of HUMAN capital. The acquisition, procurement, movement, usage and ultimately disposal of human beings.

For profit.

And of course the rental fees gathered in the process from raw interest on loans to the ever increasing amounts of subscriptions to must have goods and services that we are either told we can't do without or are plain forced to subscribe to because the bought and paid for ownership model is now dead.

At least it's now a more honest model of human existence . Since we decided to abandoned the Hunter Gatherer model of human existence we have embarked on some kind of civilized version of Feudalism, with of course diversions to UN_civlized versions of Feudalism and even outright Tyranny.

Today it's a Feudalism fueled by Corporate Techno-Magic perfumed with the opiate like somnolence of convenience.

All the while "We The People" through our willingness to allow our Techno-Financial Lords and Barons to build this system, we now find ourselves working for these Lords and Barons not only making their products but actually BEING their products. We have also built up at our own expense and approval the 24/7 All Seeing, All Sensing Panopticon of Surveillance in order for Fuedalism 3.0 to better manage, control, move, exploit and finally dispose of the greatest capital resource of all.

Us

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cashflow and moving money around is actually not technically the main function of these behemoths. It's Capital flow, which can include abstract concepts like money but more to the point it's the movement of HUMAN capital. The acquisition, procurement, movement, usage and ultimately disposal of human beings.

Here's where you went too far. Although there are people within these organizations on a power trip, the organization itself doesn't want people. People are expensive, annoying, and difficult -- not only as employees, but even as customers.

Every company is actually trying to have as few employees as possible, and to pay them as little as possible. And that's why I can't avoid a smirk, whenever I hear business leaders referred to as "job creators". They're actually trying harder to destroy jobs than to create them, but some amount of "human capital" is a "necessary evil", in today's world.

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AMD CAN innovate and exexute. MIGHTILY! But only once per decade and not even for the entire decade. After Zen 4 and 3nm AMD will be tapped out. The Compute Paradigm going forward is Heterogenious and Composable with A.I. baked into the die or as a Discreet Compute part as part of the composibilty of the entire wafer and or SiP (System in Package). AMD does not have any hardware or software roadmaps at all for this paradigm other than cribbing off Intel AVX extensions and CDNA cards. Old school. As of now the best bang for the buck old school x86 compared to Intel but still old school.

So AMD acquires Xilinx for what?

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Ah yes, more of that amazing Linux support by AMD. No current, voltage, power readings. No temperature support as well either.

Fuck AMD. I regret buying Zen 2 and will sell it off and get Intel instead. I've wasted enough of my life on a company that doesn't give a shit about Linux.

It's extremely unprofessional, embarrassingly bad and crap software.

AMD has never had that great of sensor support in Linux.

Embarrassing? No, actually to be expected honestly.

A deal breaker? Not for me.

If you have used Linux and AMD coupled as long as I have its not a thing at all. This goes all the way back to the original Athlons. AMD is not as big as intel, not as staffed.

Could it change? Don't know, and honestly its not that big of a deal, at least for me.

Are game console owners freaked out about the temperature and power draw of their machines?

What about Mac users?

What about back in the day when people had servers using Alpha?

Ultimately the shit does not matter.

I tie all this paranoia in with smartphone culture and social media generated mental illnesses. Constantly monitoring everything and just can't leave it alone, picking at sores that DONT heal. Stop picking at it.