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  • #81
    Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
    More details from Nvidia's GTC event on it's partnership with Mediatek. Nividia straight up says that they are going to expand the ARM eco-system to PC desktops as well as laptops.
    There is a problem here as I said don't ignore risc-v.
    https://riscv.org/member/mediatek/
    Mediatek is working on risc-v chips as well as arm ones. Remember Mediatek is china based and could be next of the USA supply blacklist like
    https://www.techpowerup.com/255835/a...hip-ip-licence
    what happemed to huawei here

    I would not say Nvidia deal with Mediatek is perfectly long term stable if the USA trade dispute keeps on getting worse. Of course Mediatek is putting a plans in place that they can go risc-v if they have to. Mediatek is not Nvidia friend to keep on expanding the ARM ecosystem. Think about this Mediatek is china the deal with Nvidia gives them access to Nvidia GPU designs and if their is a serous break down with the USA for them they will have Nvidia IP to work from by doing this deal.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
      More details from Nvidia's GTC event on it's partnership with Mediatek. Nividia straight up says that they are going to expand the ARM eco-system to PC desktops as well as laptops.

      The Age of ARM is truly and verifiably here.

      " About halfway through his presentation, Huang presented a slide entitled "Expanding Arm Ecosystem Beyond Mobile," which mentioned MediaTek's collaboration. According to NVIDIA, it will be licensing its GeForce RTX 30 Ampere IP for use in MediaTek MT819x SoCs. "
      That's great and all, but really not so different than what they did with their Tegra SoC's that made it into some phones, tablets, a Google Pixel notebook, and finally Nintendo Switch. At the end of the day, they're still going to be APUs, with APU-level graphics horsepower.

      What I think most of us really want to see is ARM PCs with like PCIe slots and stuff. As far as I'm aware, the closest to that is the Huawei Kunpeng-powered machine launched almost a year ago.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
        Apple... Qualcomm... Samsung... Google... Broadcom...

        So that leaves Nvidia with little choice but to go with Mediatek.
        Isn't it interesting how you left out every Chinese SoC and GPU maker?

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        • #84
          Originally posted by coder View Post
          Isn't it interesting how you left out every Chinese SoC and GPU maker?
          Why ?

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          • #85
            Originally posted by coder View Post
            That's great and all, but really not so different than what they did with their Tegra SoC's that made it into some phones, tablets, a Google Pixel notebook, and finally Nintendo Switch. At the end of the day, they're still going to be APUs, with APU-level graphics horsepower.

            What I think most of us really want to see is ARM PCs with like PCIe slots and stuff. As far as I'm aware, the closest to that is the Huawei Kunpeng-powered machine launched almost a year ago.
            Well...I would hope that you know that the old Nvidia Shield is still the most performant Android TV streamer after all these years. Even with an old ARM Tegra SoC with a Maxwell based GPU.

            And I love how you equate performance with something that has antiquated "PCIe slots and stuff". How 20th Century. And old school. And irrelevant.

            The best version (confirmed by game reviews) of Cyberpunk 2077 is from Google's Stadia steamed to a Chromebook. And not a PCIe slot or "stuff" in sight.

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            • #86
              Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
              Remember Mediatek is china based
              Don't you mean Taiwanese? It makes a difference! I assume they have offices & manufacturing in the mainland, but their HQ is in Hsinchu, Taiwan.

              Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
              I would not say Nvidia deal with Mediatek is perfectly long term stable if the USA trade dispute keeps on getting worse.
              Until China invades Taiwan, they should be fine.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
                Why ?
                If you're trying to make projections about the competitive landscape, they cannot be ignored.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
                  And I love how you equate performance with something that has antiquated "PCIe slots and stuff". How 20th Century. And old school. And irrelevant.
                  Trying to defend with rhetoric what you can't refute with facts is not actually winning.

                  The performance advantage of dGPUs is irrefutable. PCIe slots are good for other things, besides. True, they're not as essential as they once were, and eGPUs can do alright, but ARM will never overtake the PC market until there are comparably-priced, standard form-factor ARM boards with PCIe 4 slots that can run dGPUs and NVMe SSDs. Maybe you don't care about that stuff, but a lot of people do.

                  Originally posted by Jumbotron View Post
                  The best version (confirmed by game reviews) of Cyberpunk 2077 is from Google's Stadia steamed to a Chromebook. And not a PCIe slot or "stuff" in sight.
                  This is ironic, because essentially what you're saying is that GPU power is irrelevant. So, then what's even the point of spamming about Nvidia GPUs in Mediatek chips, if you're just going to render it in the cloud? And the CPU cores in today's chromebooks are either a couple generations old ARM cores or Intel Gemini Lake. So, you're also saying that CPU performance is irrelevant.

                  Well, I'm no expert on game streaming, but I know enough to say that it works only in certain geographic areas. And lots of games aren't available on game streaming platforms. So, that's two reasons people might care. And to the extent that they can just use game streaming, then basically all the rest of your points are irrelevant.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by coder View Post
                    Don't you mean Taiwanese? It makes a difference! I assume they have offices & manufacturing in the mainland, but their HQ is in Hsinchu, Taiwan.
                    Until China invades Taiwan, they should be fine.
                    coder if the USA government starts looking at ownership of Mediatek closely they will find over 51% china. As long as the USA keeps on believing HQ in Taiwan makes them Taiwan everything will be good.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by coder View Post
                      If you're trying to make projections about the competitive landscape, they cannot be ignored.
                      I did not leave ANY other SoC manufacturer out because of any nefarious or purposeful reason. But now that you brought that topic up by your insinuation I will say that outside Apple, Google, Nvidia, Mediatek, Samsung and Qualcomm there are no other SoC designers and or manufacturers that matter. Not even combined. There may be some obscure ones in China, but outside China, when you combine the American market, the Euro market and the Indian market, no other ARM or RiscV SoC designers need be mentioned other than the 6 mentioned above.

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