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  • #11
    And if anadtech reviews holds, Ryzen will still sodomize it. poor poor Intel.

    The only good thing about this launch is all the salt from Intel fanbois tears screeching because 300w is because AVX-512 and then screeching it lost because thats not a real benchmarks because doesn't use AVX-512

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    • #12
      Well, according to Anandtech's review, a 11th gen 125W TDP chip now boosts to 291W(232% of rated TDP). Last generation(10th gen) 95W TDP chip PL2 to 225W( 236% of rated TDP). Granted, second gen Ryzen also lies about TDP now (A 65W TDP second gen Ryzen now boosts to 88W measured, or 135% of rated TDP, third gen boosts even harder) It is a lot more tolerable on the AMD side.

      Buyers should focus on this, instead of stupid gaming FPS numbers and single threaded numbers. After all, it is just about lying TDPs and operating the chip at undesirable part of the power curve just like "Radeon 6700XT" engineering.
      Last edited by phoronix_is_awesome; 16 March 2021, 03:47 PM.

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      • #13
        Agree with previous "Intel TDP shenanigans".

        Everything TDP about a modern desktop processor seems like a mirage.
        Intel is the worst. Promises, promises.
        All you'll get is a mouthful of sand when digging into the mirage.

        300W for a desktop CPU? That's just stupid.

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        • #14
          I just want a decent CPU + integrated GPU product, that has good performance, low power usage and is not expensive. I don't need much horsepower, but my current 2400G is still lacking GPU horsepower

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          • #15
            Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post

            This. We are so close to DDR5 it makes no sense to get something like this now.
            And also AVX-512 on AMD, think of the x86-64-v4 feature level - that might matter in the future when the distros decide to move past v3.

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            • #16
              At those prices it's DOA. If you absolutely need Intel right now, you're better off buying the 8-core Comet Lake and then overclocking it. There. "Rocket Lake" performance for cheap with less power draw.

              Of course the wisest choice is to postpone upgrades as much as you can and wait for Ryzen to get back in stock at better prices.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by ezekrb5 View Post
                I just want a decent CPU + integrated GPU product, that has good performance, low power usage and is not expensive. I don't need much horsepower, but my current 2400G is still lacking GPU horsepower
                With integrated graphics you are always going to be lacking GPU horsepower, due to several factors (TDP limits and RAM bandwidth). The integrated GPU on 2400G (Vega 11) is actually one of the best and fastest integrated solutions currently available. No new integrated GPU is going to be much faster than Vega 11.

                The only way to improve the GPU is to go with a discrete solution. What I don't understand is: why do you insist on an integrated solution?

                You can get used cheap discrete GPUs, either buy them locally or on e-bay. Radeon 570 is currently very cheap, I think. You can use PowerTune on Linux do decrease power consumption below 100W, or even less.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

                  With integrated graphics you are always going to be lacking GPU horsepower, due to several factors (TDP limits and RAM bandwidth). The integrated GPU on 2400G (Vega 11) is actually one of the best and fastest integrated solutions currently available. No new integrated GPU is going to be much faster than Vega 11.

                  The only way to improve the GPU is to go with a discrete solution. What I don't understand is: why do you insist on an integrated solution?

                  You can get used cheap discrete GPUs, either buy them locally or on e-bay. Radeon 570 is currently very cheap, I think. You can use PowerTune on Linux do decrease power consumption below 100W, or even less.
                  Many reasons:

                  1) Lower power consumption

                  2) Better efficiency

                  3) Versatile VRAM

                  4) Much cheaper

                  5) Smaller size/form factor

                  6) Quieter

                  As for your suggestion, unless you are talking used (and this is not an honest comparison because you could argue about used APUs as well), gpus are increadibly expensive. A new RX 570 is around 500 euros in Greece. This is not "cheap" considering during the summer it cost 140 euros.

                  And as for the downclocking in order to get lower TDP, this is also not ideal. When you pay for a gpu, you pay for the maximum performance, not for the performance it would have on your machine once you configure it to your desired TDP limit. So it is going to cost more money per performance than an igpu.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post

                    As for your suggestion, unless you are talking used (and this is not an honest comparison because you could argue about used APUs as well), gpus are increadibly expensive. A new RX 570 is around 500 euros in Greece. This is not "cheap" considering during the summer it cost 140 euros.

                    And as for the downclocking in order to get lower TDP, this is also not ideal. When you pay for a gpu, you pay for the maximum performance, not for the performance it would have on your machine once you configure it to your desired TDP limit. So it is going to cost more money per performance than an igpu.
                    I just went to ebay. I was surprised. Radeon 570 is about 260 USD. That's quite expensive, crazy even. Strange times.

                    But, it is just a temporary spike. Prices were twice lower this summer, and the prices will likely go down soon.

                    As for downclocking, I wouldn't quite agree. Your stance is to rigid. You can and should customize the hardware and software parameters to fit your needs.

                    I agree that GPUs are currently very expensive. Currently it is the best to wait for this price spike to subside.

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                    • #20
                      <QUOTE>I just want a decent CPU + integrated GPU product, that has good performance, low power usage and is not expensive</QUOTE>

                      Same here. I really want something like an 11th gen i3 but with the 'high-end' iGPU found in the i7. A 2-core/4-thread, high-clocking CPU with the G7 iGPU would be perfect as a daily driver at the office and family computer.

                      It's a real bummer that the decent iGPUs are tied to the highest-end CPUs. I'm not sure if it's done for technical reasons or purely to stratify the market.

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