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  • CochainComplex
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    Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View Post
    E, F, H, HK, K, KF, KFC, KS, T, TE, X, XE ...
    I think Gold is missing?

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  • Paradigm Shifter
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    Originally posted by Raka555 View Post
    What a mess the processor lineup of AMD had become ...
    I think the AMD naming scheme makes rather more sense than the modern Intel naming scheme.

    Take the Core i7-1065G7, for example - without looking it up on Ark, all I can tell is that it's a 10-series i7. Or the alphabet soup that the 9-series chips became with the no-letter, E, F, H, HK, K, KF, KFC, KS, T, TE, X, XE suffixes... without a magic decoder ring, how are you supposed to know what each of those are?

    I realise that companies need to be able to differentiate between different SKUs internally, and what makes sense to them may seem daft to users, but both Intel and AMD seem to be pretty poor at it from a consumer standpoint. Really I'd like to know the following at a glance: manufacturer, series, generation, model, cores, gpu, hyperthreading. With modern boost systems, the clockspeeds you get will depend heavily on cooler, so they can be relegated to "information elsewhere on the box". A four digit (five, with Intel now 10th gen Core...) number with or without two letter flags would be sufficient to explain most of it.

    ...

    Anyway, slightly more on topic. Good to see that the process has matured enough for AMD to be confident in a move like this. It's much better than what has happened from some manufacturers in the past who have silently changed the SKU without actually telling anyone. I won't be buying one, though, as I've got a 3900X already and the only other Ryzen I might think about buying any time soon is the 65W 3700X to upgrade a box currently running a 1700.

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  • wizard69
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    Honestly I was expecting a bit more, but I'm not really bothered by the release. It is basically a way to market to gamers as they even suggest water cooling for these chips.

    As for the new Zen I still think it i coming this year, it might be late this year but AMD has repeatedly said it is coming. The only reason to back track on that is if the 5nm rumors where real and even AMD has said 7nm so yeah we will see the new architecture this year.

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  • artivision
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    Originally posted by angrypie View Post

    Why even argue about tubo boost for an unlocked CPU? If you don't want to mess with clocks and voltages, you can just enable PBO. There are countless articles on how to do it.
    PBO doesn't clock the Cpu higher. PBO allows more applications to use higher Pstates out of the available clockings by overriding power limits. AutoOC_Max will allow applications like games that use simpler instructions to clock at 4.9Ghz without exceeding 65wp. PBO will override even the 80wp limit of the 65w processors and allow a trash 90-100w consumption without reason. AMD should drop PBO and also drop 100-150mv from Radeons to and free TurboOC.

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  • wizard69
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    Originally posted by AmericanLocomotive View Post
    I really don't understand the point of this release. An extra 100-200 MHz ST boost clock is hardly worth a new SKU, IMO. Unless the all-core boost is significantly higher (but I doubt it is, since base clocks hardly moved).

    Maybe they were just trying to come up with some new product to help drive B550 motherboard sales?
    Legally they can now market the chip a "NEW".

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  • tildearrow
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    Originally posted by pstglia View Post
    After XT will they launch AT series?

    I'm getting old
    And what after that? ATX, DT or &T? *giggles*

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  • AmericanLocomotive
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    Originally posted by brunosalezze View Post
    LOL
    6700k (4.0-4.2Ghz) -> 7700k (4.2-4.5Ghz)
    8700k (3.7-4.7Ghz) -> 8086k (4.0-5.0Ghz)
    9900k (3.6-5.0Ghz) -> 9900KS(4.0-5.0Ghz)
    You can check ark.
    Ok, they call the 7700k kaby lake, but no one ever proved any difference at all from skylake, it is the same core (maybe improved mem controller or IO)
    I'm not sure what Intel does with their chips has anything to do with AMD in this case? I just said I don't understand going through the trouble for these new SKUs, especially with the Zen 3 launch so close. You still have to do engineering and testing to ensure the chips are reliable at these speeds, you need to update your AGESA code for motherboard vendors, need to spin up new packaging and support documentation, get stock distributed in your channels, etc... It's not super trivial to do this.

    What I'm hoping is that the XT chips can boost more threads at higher speeds than the current chips. For example, a 3900X typically only has 1 core capable of reaching 4.6 GHz. However if a 3900XT has 2 or 3 cores capable of achieving 4.7 GHz - that's pretty big.

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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by AmericanLocomotive View Post
    I really don't understand the point of this release. An extra 100-200 MHz ST boost clock is hardly worth a new SKU, IMO.
    200 mhz is enough to fend off recently released new generation of intel cpus

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by AmericanLocomotive View Post
    I really don't understand the point of this release. An extra 100-200 MHz ST boost clock is hardly worth a new SKU, IMO.
    I think the key thing to keep in mind here is that there's no downside. It's free for AMD to do this, they're just binning better chips these days.

    So the main upside is they get a bit of marketing and excitement around 7/7 when it releases - it's obvious they're targeting the original Zen 2 launch date as part of that, so their marketing can talk about Zen 2 in general. All the tech sites will run reviews talking about how AMD is still clobbering Intel a year after the initial release.

    On top of that, they get slightly better pricing from new chips + not bundling coolers anymore, and they get slightly better single-threaded benchmark comparisons over the next few months vs Intel's new lineup.

    All very minor things, but again the key thing to remember is that there's no reason not to do this because it's essentially free. So they may as well play it smart and get all the little benefits they can while they have the advantage.
    Last edited by smitty3268; 16 June 2020, 09:04 PM.

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  • omer666
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    The fact people complain about the XT line is kind of reassuring, because it means people now have a lot more expectations for AMD.

    Besides this, as already stated in this thread, Intel has been doing this kind of upgrade with each new gen for years, advertising each release like it was a big step forward, and always needing a new motherboard.

    The difference is that AMD is being honest about their product, and it runs on older motherboards. Aside from this, AMD is also pushing for real innovations, like PCIe 4 adoption. Intel could have brought such new things to the table all these years, but they didn't.

    Added to the fact that Ryzen CPUs aren't the security mess that Intel CPUs are, you can consider that the 4% single core improvement will probably end up being a real game changer in several weeks, as more failures are being unveiled and mitigated.

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