A Few More Linux Kernel Patches Floated This Week For AMD Family 19h (Zen 3)

[birdie]

We don't need "official" Linux support. We just need hardware specs. It is our open source OS, not Nvidia's or some vendor's. Guess how many PCs where "officially supporting a Linux OS" between 1990 and 2010. Yeah. And that is not the point. Open minded people choose what is good quality and works for them. All we need is public hardware specs so everyone can write their own code.

If it is your open source OS, then it is your burden to support it and you have no right to blame NVIDIA for not supporting it. They have not promised to support any laptops. God, open source fanatics feel entitled way too often as if the whole world owes them open designs and open source.

[tildearrow]

Maybe this is true for your region. However, I can purchase at least 10+ laptop models with NVIDIA GPU and linux (or DOS) in mine:
http://www.skytech.lt/nesiojami-komp...ize=100&page=1

Why do they even use DOS? Do they hate Linux that much?

Couldn't they use a console-only Linux distro or at least even EFI Shell?

[birdie]

Why do they even use DOS? Do they hate Linux that much?

Couldn't they use a console-only Linux distro or at least even EFI Shell?

DOS is installed only to show that the laptop can be turned on and it somehow works (at least screen and keyboard can be tested this way).

[Raven3x7]

Speaking of Europe: if I'm not mistaken they enacted this peculiar law which mandates that laptop OEMs must sell laptops without Windows preinstalled in certain countries/certain models/etc - I don't know the details. And right under the first laptop:

https://www.computeruniverse.net/de/...gb-ssd-freedos

A gazillion of offers to buy Windows 10. Kinda silly if you think about that. Also show me where any of these etailers mention Linux at least once on the pages of their website. I dare you. Or better yet show me results from Amazon, Newegg, B&H, BestBuy, OfficeDepot, etc.

You called lem79 a lier. I proved you wrong and this what you reply? The very least you should do is apologize.

[rene]

If it is your open source OS, then it is your burden to support it and you have no right to blame NVIDIA for not supporting it. They have not promised to support any laptops. God, open source fanatics feel entitled way too often as if the whole world owes them open designs and open source.

you have no idea how open source works, I also do not even want vendor support, their copy'n pasted bloat is usually buggy and full of security vulnerabilities anyway. I blame Nvidia for not releasing hardware specification like it should be standard for the users who pay $$$$ to be able to write code however they want THEMSELVES. But you obviously have not understand the OPEN not the SOURCE in Open Source.

[birdie]

You called lem79 a lier. I proved you wrong and this what you reply? The very least you should do is apologize.

I asked to show such laptops being sold in the US and nothing has been offered. As for Europe - I don't care about countries which enable dubious laws "protecting" the customer. On a laptop with discrete NVIDIA graphics you can install either Windows or ... Windows. The law makes zero sense. Sorry, I don't have to admit anything or apologize for anything. Actually this law makes the life of Europeans worse: an OEM version of Windows costs as little as 10 euros per PC. Now Europeans, thanks to this law, have to buy a retail version of Windows 10 which costs at the very least 50 euros. Also, it's a liar, not "lier" - I don't know what that word even means.

you have no idea how open source works, I also do not even want vendor support, their copy'n pasted bloat is usually buggy and full of security vulnerabilities anyway. I blame Nvidia for not releasing hardware specification like it should be standard for the users who pay $$$$ to be able to write code however they want THEMSELVES. But you obviously have not understand the OPEN not the SOURCE in Open Source.

Check my open source contributions and kindly fuq off. Up to three hundred bug reports, up to a dozen patches, fixes to the Linux kernel, GCC, KDE, Mozilla Firefox, Wine, etc. And I started using Linux almost twenty years before you signed up on Phoronix. You look like another self-entitled open source rabid fanatic who's only capable of stinking on Phoronix forums. "I don't understand Open Source" - LMAO. I wonder how you can say that with a straight face. But maybe your IQ/intelligence is so low you really believe in that. My condolences then.

Don't bother replying to this post: I no longer see your messages. Sorry. Enough with fanaticism for one day. Go design a competitive open source GPU which rivals NVIDIA and open source devs will happily write drivers for it.

[rene]

Check my open source contributions and kindly fuq off. Up to three hundred bug reports, up to a dozen patches, fixes to the Linux kernel, GCC, KDE, Mozilla Firefox, Wine, etc. And I started using Linux almost twenty years before you signed up on Phoronix. You look like another self-entitled open source rabid fanatic who's only capable of stinking on Phoronix forums. "I don't understand Open Source" - LMAO. I wonder how you can say that with a straight face. But maybe your IQ/intelligence is so low you really believe in that. My condolences then.

Don't bother replying to this post: I no longer see your messages. Sorry. Enough with fanaticism for one day. Go design a competitive open source GPU which rivals NVIDIA and open source devs will happily write drivers for it.

I do Linux since 1996, long before Phoronix was a thing. And 12 Patches is what I do on a daily average ;-) Don't tell me what I should accept from hardware vendors. They want to sell hardware, the developer documentation (register level) must be open. Just because of the good old Windows monopoly they can hide behind their limited binary only driver blob. Back in the day TVs, hi-fi equipment, heck even fridges and cars came with schematics to repair, nowadays we can't even program our GPU anymore? Imagine CPU vendors would do that and you could only install Windows, and could not even write your own software easily. Had to write any application software only using their proprietary SDK. You clearly have no further insight in this matters, or are on Nvidia's payroll. Or booth.

[smitty3268]

I asked to show such laptops being sold in the US and nothing has been offered.

You did no such thing. This is the first time you've even mentioned the US.

For the record, here are your previous posts:

Just on observation: laptops with discrete NVIDIA graphics are sold with Windows preinstalled. Always. If you deliberately install an unsupported OS, then it's only your fault.

And here we have people outright lying. There are no laptops with discrete NVIDIA GPUs which are sold without Windows preinstalled. None. Never happened. There are cheap Intel/AMD laptops with iGPUs which are sold OSless - but it's a whole different matter.

Not a single word about location. You are very adamant that other people are lying and that it's completely impossible to get any kind of nvidia laptop without windows, no exceptions.

[lem79]

birdie you've been called out for moving the goal posts. Admit you were wrong about being able to buy Intel+nVidia laptops without Windows preinstalled. Not sure why you have this fighting attitude, I didn't see anyone attacking until you fired first shots.

Anyway, if we're not vocal about what we want in hardware, we're less likely to get it. We don't know who reads what on the internet, maybe some of the company reps read these forums from time to time. I know for sure that I'm looking for a decent AMD based laptop next up, steering well clear of Intel and nVidia, even if they're more performant (at least on the GPU side that could be true.. AMD has done a great job with their CPUs).

[birdie]

birdie you've been called out for moving the goal posts. Admit you were wrong about being able to buy Intel+nVidia laptops without Windows preinstalled. Not sure why you have this fighting attitude, I didn't see anyone attacking until you fired first shots.

Anyway, if we're not vocal about what we want in hardware, we're less likely to get it. We don't know who reads what on the internet, maybe some of the company reps read these forums from time to time. I know for sure that I'm looking for a decent AMD based laptop next up, steering well clear of Intel and nVidia, even if they're more performant (at least on the GPU side that could be true.. AMD has done a great job with their CPUs).

I don't have anything to admit. Broken laptops due to dubious European laws don't count. Also, forget about the laws. You go to the support pages of the respective laptops and what you can see? Support is provided only for Windows. Period. You must be mentally handicapped or alternatively gifted to try running Linux on a laptop which has zero indication that it's compatible with this obscure OS for open source fans. In fact there have been cases when vendors refused to RMA laptops after they found out people had been running Linux on their laptops. Oh, a fun fact, people running Linux have managed to kill their motherboards and laptops. Like physically by destroying ROM chips. It was a few years ago.

NVIDIA is a major corporation and it knows how to make money. They are not in the business of catering to a vocal minority of some weirdos who all know how companies should run their businesses, yet most of them don't have any businesses to speak of. Have you tried removing a crown off your head once in a while?

Even AMD which is worshiped to no end does not adequately and fully support Linux, yet open source fans kinda love the company like its their savior. The only reason AMD does support open source is that they see a competitive advantage in doing that. They do not that out of good intentions or because they are benevolent towards open source.

God, 99.9% of Linux/Open Source fans who hate NVIDIA are just worthless people with zero understanding of how this world works. That's all so pathetic it's just cringe worthy. No support has even been promised either tacitly or openly yet open source fans have the insolence to require one. Wow. Why don't you all collectively hate Apple for not providing support for running Linux on Macs? Why is it always NVIDIA?

Meanwhile I've been using Linux with NVIDIA graphics pretty successfully since the late 90s. Can't complain, everything works, save for some currently worthless open source toys like Wayland. Over ten years in development - can't match what Xfree86 managed to achieve with a lot less resources and time. Still has major issues and still is absolutely worthless as a modern graphical subsystem.