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  • #11
    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    Just on observation: laptops with discrete NVIDIA graphics are sold with Windows preinstalled. Always. If you deliberately install an unsupported OS, then it's only your fault.

    And that kinda invalidated the years long "F you NVIDIA" movement started after a comment from Linus Torvalds who replied to a woman who couldn't make her laptop with discrete NVIDIA graphics work under Linux. Yeah, she created a problem for herself, Linus kinda sorta shared her sentiment, the whole Linux community decided to demonize NVIDIA. Wow. So intelligent. So thoughtful.

    Bloody rampant fanboys. Show me a single sentence on NVIDIA's website where they recommend Linux to be installed on laptops with NVIDIA GPUs.
    Actually my laptop came without an OS, but anyway. Obviously the OEM recommended Windows, but it was known to work under Linux to a reasonable extent (and it does, it's just messy to manage the X server and powersaving). And like wizard69 said, if we took your logic to the extreme, no one would use Linux on anything ever, and we wouldn't have got to this point in the first place where we actually have a choice to use it at all.

    Thankfully, there should be some mid-high end Ryzen laptops coming out this year, which I'll certainly be looking at. Just waiting for one that fits my needs, and uses the 7nm Zen stuff.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
      That so called bug report is pure garbage. It reflects a personal opinion that the software should work a certain way when it has never supported what the poster wants.
      1. The bug report is corroborated by a kernel developer, not by some nonamer from Phoronix with a funky username.
      2. The required features are available under Windows.

      Meanwhile I've added you to my black list 'because I don't share your aggressive sentiment which is "Linux is free, so you may as well eat shit" which is further contradicted by the fact that AMD calls itself committed to open source. Except it's a really selective commitment. The Zen uArch was released over three years ago and the original Zen CPUs still cannot be fully monitored or managed (again, the same bug report) under Linux. What a dubious commitment.

      Writing to r/AMD? Are you alternatively gifted? AMD couldn't give a fuq about Reddit. Only when certain threads get thousands of upvotes, they start acting on them. There are like 1% of desktop Linux users for AMD products, so ... what the fuq, that's not even funny.

      And people wonder why Linux doesn't get more popular: it's simple, you visit Linux forums and see all kinds of fanatics who can justify the thousands ways in which Linux is broken/incomplete and then they make you feel bad for even asking for feature parity.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by lem79 View Post
        Actually my laptop came without an OS, but anyway. Obviously the OEM recommended Windows, but it was known to work under Linux to a reasonable extent (and it does, it's just messy to manage the X server and powersaving). And like wizard69 said, if we took your logic to the extreme, no one would use Linux on anything ever, and we wouldn't have got to this point in the first place where we actually have a choice to use it at all.

        Thankfully, there should be some mid-high end Ryzen laptops coming out this year, which I'll certainly be looking at. Just waiting for one that fits my needs, and uses the 7nm Zen stuff.
        And here we have people outright lying. There are no laptops with discrete NVIDIA GPUs which are sold without Windows preinstalled. None. Never happened. There are cheap Intel/AMD laptops with iGPUs which are sold OSless - but it's a whole different matter.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by birdie View Post

          And here we have people outright lying. There are no laptops with discrete NVIDIA GPUs which are sold without Windows preinstalled. None. Never happened. There are cheap Intel/AMD laptops with iGPUs which are sold OSless - but it's a whole different matter.
          Maybe this is true for your region. However, I can purchase at least 10+ laptop models with NVIDIA GPU and linux (or DOS) in mine:
          http://www.skytech.lt/nesiojami-komp...ize=100&page=1

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          • #15
            Originally posted by birdie View Post

            And here we have people outright lying. There are no laptops with discrete NVIDIA GPUs which are sold without Windows preinstalled. None. Never happened. There are cheap Intel/AMD laptops with iGPUs which are sold OSless - but it's a whole different matter.
            I get 242 results here https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=10929_Windkeinows~8150_NVIDIA&sort=t&hl oc=at&hloc=de&v=e
            Last edited by Raven3x7; 23 February 2020, 08:56 AM.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by birdie View Post

              Just on observation: laptops with discrete NVIDIA graphics are sold with Windows preinstalled. Always. If you deliberately install an unsupported OS, then it's only your fault.
              We don't need "official" Linux support. We just need hardware specs. It is our open source OS, not Nvidia's or some vendor's. Guess how many PCs where "officially supporting a Linux OS" between 1990 and 2010. Yeah. And that is not the point. Open minded people choose what is good quality and works for them. All we need is public hardware specs so everyone can write their own code.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by birdie View Post

                Just on observation: laptops with discrete NVIDIA graphics are sold with Windows preinstalled. Always. If you deliberately install an unsupported OS, then it's only your fault.

                And that kinda invalidated the years long "F you NVIDIA" movement started after a comment from Linus Torvalds who replied to a woman who couldn't make her laptop with discrete NVIDIA graphics work under Linux. Yeah, she created a problem for herself, Linus kinda sorta shared her sentiment, the whole Linux community decided to demonize NVIDIA. Wow. So intelligent. So thoughtful.

                Bloody rampant fanboys. Show me a single sentence on NVIDIA's website where they recommend Linux to be installed on laptops with NVIDIA GPUs.
                Just my personal experience but I have Pop!_OS running on a Legion Y530 and it has been nothing but a dream with hybrid graphics. It worked right out of install perfectly without a hitch. There is problems all over, but Linux is getting better each day and It has gotten so much better as of late. I mean gaming on Linux has exploded in the past 2 years. Who knows what Nvidia is planning with their open source drivers. I think companies are finally seeing that Linux is very capable in the desktop realm and things will be shifting over to help support their products in Linux.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post

                  Just on observation: laptops with discrete NVIDIA graphics are sold with Windows preinstalled. Always. If you deliberately install an unsupported OS, then it's only your fault.

                  And that kinda invalidated the years long "F you NVIDIA" movement started after a comment from Linus Torvalds who replied to a woman who couldn't make her laptop with discrete NVIDIA graphics work under Linux. Yeah, she created a problem for herself, Linus kinda sorta shared her sentiment, the whole Linux community decided to demonize NVIDIA. Wow. So intelligent. So thoughtful.

                  Bloody rampant fanboys. Show me a single sentence on NVIDIA's website where they recommend Linux to be installed on laptops with NVIDIA GPUs.
                  You are the only fanboy/shill here dude. And bloody retarded too.

                  By the way all the "features" you ask for are oveclocker niche features. They are nice to haves but hardly essential. Most people don't overclock their cpus even on Windows. Overclocking is dead because it is rather useless, overclocking was a FAD 10-20 years ago.

                  AMD hardware provides the best Linux experience and is highly recommended. We don't care about Nvidia shit.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post

                    You are the only fanboy/shill here dude. And bloody retarded too.

                    By the way all the "features" you ask for are oveclocker niche features. They are nice to haves but hardly essential. Most people don't overclock their cpus even on Windows. Overclocking is dead because it is rather useless, overclocking was a FAD 10-20 years ago.

                    AMD hardware provides the best Linux experience and is highly recommended. We don't care about Nvidia shit.
                    Monitoring of your HW sensors is not a feature for overclocking. It's an essential feature for everyone who cares about the longevity of their HW. For instance I discovered that my Ryzen 3700X had very bad thermals after patching the k10 driver - now my system runs a lot cooler thanks to it. Meanwhile I've never overclocked a single piece of equipment in my entire life.

                    If you have more money then common sense, then my condolences. I just don't understand why you're running Linux in the first place.

                    Meanwhile, welcome to my blacklist, bloody open source fanatic. I'm sure as hell you haven't filed a single bug report in your entire life, haven't submitted a single patch and most likely started using Linux a month ago.
                    Last edited by birdie; 23 February 2020, 01:39 PM.

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                    • #20
                      Speaking of Europe: if I'm not mistaken they enacted this peculiar law which mandates that laptop OEMs must sell laptops without Windows preinstalled in certain countries/certain models/etc - I don't know the details. And right under the first laptop:

                      https://www.computeruniverse.net/de/...gb-ssd-freedos

                      A gazillion of offers to buy Windows 10. Kinda silly if you think about that. Also show me where any of these etailers mention Linux at least once on the pages of their website. I dare you. Or better yet show me results from Amazon, Newegg, B&H, BestBuy, OfficeDepot, etc.
                      Last edited by birdie; 23 February 2020, 01:38 PM.

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