Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

NEOX V Announced By Think Silicon As First RISC-V 3D GPU

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #11
    Originally posted by pkese View Post

    How exactly and when was RISC-V Foundation being hostile?
    the RISC-V Foundation sabotaged the work of the Libre RISC-V people because of this they now switched to IBM power ISA.
    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

    Comment


    • #12
      Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
      Refused to communicate. Check comments to article about switching this project to POWER.
      I don't know, but every time one of these libre GPU efforts comes around, the people involved expect to be congratulated before accomplishing anything. They don't need any permission to make a PoC on a FPGA, so when they don't even bother with that, it doesn't lend much credibility. Nobody cares that some dood threwa tantrum decided to "switch" his vapourware from one ISA to another because he wasn't being patted on the back for having an idea that literally everyone already had.

      Comment


      • #13
        Originally posted by microcode View Post

        I don't know, but every time one of these libre GPU efforts comes around, the people involved expect to be congratulated before accomplishing anything. They don't need any permission to make a PoC on a FPGA, so when they don't even bother with that, it doesn't lend much credibility. Nobody cares that some dood threwa tantrum decided to "switch" his vapourware from one ISA to another because he wasn't being patted on the back for having an idea that literally everyone already had.
        this or we wave a CLA-WAR,PATENT-WAR,Anti-FLOSS-war and Microsoft talmud style divide your enemy into CSD vs SSD(clind side decoration/server side decoration) and Gnome vs KDE(CLA WAR give away your code to the project so the evil project owner can make your code into a closed source zombie.)

        in my point of view the RISC-V is a attack on REAL FLOSS CPU designs

        and the "NEOX V Announced By Think Silicon As First RISC-V 3D GPU" is maybe an attack on any real FLOSS GPU design.

        in reality we need real FLOSS cpu and gpu design with not only open-source software but with also open-source hardware and even open-source manufacturing tools. what we get is a FOSS(without the letter L for libre) gpu with dirty patents and dirty CLA WAR and so one and so one.
        Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

        Comment


        • #14
          I think it's good that GLOVE is open source (LGPL v3), and backed by a commercial entity using it for something real. At least most of us should be able to get behind that.

          I don't believe their GPU is a serious threat to GPUs with purpose-built ISAs and architectures. I maintain that you can't make a truly competitive GPU with a general-purpose ISA. However, for those who care about having a standard ISA on your GPU so you can control the software stack on it, this could still be a win.

          It seems to me that this is a positive development, even if nobody here is completely happy with it.

          Comment


          • #15
            ^^^ OMG, why in the world is that post caught in the spam filter?? ^^^

            (yes, obviously you'll have to wait until it gets approved in order to weigh in.)

            Comment


            • #16
              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              I guess this thing, unlike the Libre RISC-V, actually has a geometry processor... right?
              Based on what? ...or are you just speculating?

              Even in their aborted Larrabee GPU, Intel realized that you needed hardware texture samplers, for even a hope at competitive performance (which it still didn't achieve). We don't know that Think's GPU lacks any fixed-function units, but their press release certainly didn't state or suggest otherwise.

              BTW, I think it's cool that Think Silicon is based in Greece. I imagine they must have a lot of under-employed talent available to work on enterprises like this. I wish them well.

              Comment


              • #17
                Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                implementation also can implement forked standard, like microsoft with eee
                Yes but this is hardware. It is a bit hard to fork a standard if you must give full register documentation for developers. If you don't give full register documentation for the new stuff then you are making your own little black box, not a new standard. See how OpenGL and Vulkan extensions work.

                Comment


                • #18
                  Originally posted by microcode
                  I don't know, but every time one of these libre GPU efforts comes around, the people involved expect to be congratulated before accomplishing anything. They don't need any permission to make a PoC on a FPGA, so when they don't even bother with that, it doesn't lend much credibility. Nobody cares that some dood threwa tantrum decided to "switch" his vapourware from one ISA to another because he wasn't being patted on the back for having an idea that literally everyone already had.
                  There's nearly half a million of EU money going behind the project soon. Plus funds from Purism and others. That, and having skilled people with expertise in various areas, gives credibility to the project.

                  Comment


                  • #19
                    Originally posted by curaga View Post
                    There's nearly half a million of EU money going behind the project soon. Plus funds from Purism and others. That, and having skilled people with expertise in various areas, gives credibility to the project.
                    yes right.... i really do not unterstand what the people expect what is the expectation for a project like this ?

                    they have money and talented people why in hell should it fail ? the only point what can be is that is maybe is not as good as it could be.
                    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

                    Comment


                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post

                      this or we wave a CLA-WAR,PATENT-WAR,Anti-FLOSS-war and Microsoft talmud style divide your enemy into CSD vs SSD(clind side decoration/server side decoration) and Gnome vs KDE(CLA WAR give away your code to the project so the evil project owner can make your code into a closed source zombie.)

                      in my point of view the RISC-V is a attack on REAL FLOSS CPU designs

                      and the "NEOX V Announced By Think Silicon As First RISC-V 3D GPU" is maybe an attack on any real FLOSS GPU design.

                      in reality we need real FLOSS cpu and gpu design with not only open-source software but with also open-source hardware and even open-source manufacturing tools. what we get is a FOSS(without the letter L for libre) gpu with dirty patents and dirty CLA WAR and so one and so one.
                      Sad but true.

                      Due to lack of transparency this is my opinion at the moment: Si-Five claim to be open and free (even their model names use same terms). Everyone (Phoronix, Level 1 Techs, Linus Tech Tips, etc.) just took their word for it and nobody actually checked what type of code they released or what type of development models they decided to use. Many of them got the devices from Si-Five and was too focused on what the device can do or will be able to do... rather than to focus on what the device stands for. Si-Five (and RISC-V to an extent) are using community driven projects and community driven news for their own gain screwing FLOSS along the way. They can do what they want, but little transparency goes a long way especially if you claim to be open.

                      It's very simple. If you have conflict of interests announce it. If you mix open and proprietary announce it. MAKE A CLEAR DISTINCTION between what is open and what isn't.

                      Kernels and compilers make use of some optimizations between x86 architectures but for the most part it has been binary compatible. ARM is binary incompatible in so many ways and has shown uneducated people what the educated engineers already knew. The industry is going to need more symbiotic relationship between RISC-V and FLOSS to really challenge x86 in the long run. If they don't sort out these problems quickly they will have a massive train wreck! (Like Qaridarium described above)

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X