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  • #31
    coder Really it is too much they asks for, also i have a weird strange feeling like buying this H96 MAX same priced (OK on discount) $110 TV box without box

    https://www.geekbuying.com/item/H96-...OX-379059.html

    Forgot to mention, yeah there are many others around RK3399/PRO, like these Rock64 which seems will be cheaper:

    RK3399 based Rockpro64 will launch on March 15 for $59 to $65 with 2GB RAM, and $79 with 4GB RAM, while Rockpro64-AI should start selling on August 1, 2018 for $99 with RK3399Pro and 4GB RAM.
    https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/01...for-60-and-up/

    You see, even special RK-PRO variant still bellow $100
    Last edited by dungeon; 03-24-2018, 08:27 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
      Forgot to mention, yeah there are many others around RK3399/PRO, like these Rock64 which seems will be cheaper:

      https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/01...for-60-and-up/

      You see, even special RK-PRO variant still bellow $100
      Looks good. Lacks SATA but, as long as it can hit comparable clock speeds, seems worthy.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by dungeon View Post

        Forgot to mention, yeah there are many others around RK3399/PRO, like these Rock64 which seems will be cheaper:

        https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/01...for-60-and-up/

        You see, even special RK-PRO variant still bellow $100
        Just checked them out. They were supposed to start orders a week ago on the 15th, but they've gone silent about the RockPro, so who knows when those will be available

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        • #34
          Originally posted by chimpy View Post

          Just checked them out. They were supposed to start orders a week ago on the 15th, but they've gone silent about the RockPro, so who knows when those will be available
          It is not so silent, they said it is delayed to the end of april:

          https://forum.pine64.org/showthread....5859&pid=36482

          Or this Rock960 might even come earlier

          https://www.96rocks.com/
          Last edited by dungeon; 03-24-2018, 11:01 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by coder View Post
            Looks good. Lacks SATA...
            Well, SoC itself does not support SATA natively - so it is normal that SATA is missing:

            http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_RK3399

            If somebody have SATA there, that is kind of "an extra made up feature"

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            • #36
              Repeat post.
              Last edited by chimpy; 03-25-2018, 01:01 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by dungeon View Post

                It is not so silent, they said it is delayed to the end of april:

                https://forum.pine64.org/showthread....5859&pid=36482

                Or this Rock960 might even come earlier

                https://www.96rocks.com/
                Oh thanks, for what ever reason I couldn't find that link. Roughly 70 bucks for a Rockchip 3399 is a pretty good deal, but above 100 bucks I have to agree that people should just go for x86

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                  If somebody have SATA there, that is kind of "an extra made up feature"
                  What do you mean about that? Look at the N1, it has two SATA ports. How is that made up?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by willmore View Post

                    What do you mean about that? Look at the N1, it has two SATA ports. How is that made up?
                    It is made up or to say wired up SATA via PCIE x1, controled by additional ASMedia's SATA controler, this one:

                    http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...s.php?item=118

                    If SoC itself have native SATA support, you would see it on all RK3399 based boards as if native that is just a matter of exposing connectors

                    In theory ASM1061 got you x1 PCI Express to two ports of Serial ATA at max SATA speeds, problem is RK3399 specs of PCIE x1 are not really of full speed rev 2 but rev 1.2 i think - so these SATA wired up connectors are expected to not work at full speed, might reach something in range of average USB3 and that is it.

                    Basically do not expect full speed on these SATAs especially with SSD

                    https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=30307

                    Imagine speed of 2.5" USB3 HDD, that is kind of cap there for HDD. Or to say, SSD might be about double faster there than USB3 HDD, won't be 3-5 times faster
                    Last edited by dungeon; 03-25-2018, 10:53 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                      Well, SoC itself does not support SATA natively - so it is normal that SATA is missing:

                      http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_RK3399

                      If somebody have SATA there, that is kind of "an extra made up feature"
                      WTF? It doesn't need to be native - just well-implemented. If I want SATA (and I do), then it's of value to me that their board has it. Sure, one could plug in a controller to the Pine's PCIe slot (and no, I don't want garbage USB -> SATA adapters), but that's ugly, would limit case options, and would make up much of the difference in price.

                      So, no. I reject your dismissal of SATA. If it's a feature you don't want and won't use, then it's useless to you. However, please don't try to decide for me which features I should value.

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