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  • coder
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    Originally posted by mulenmar View Post
    This is getting ridiculous; we have more than enough of these ARM toy-boards, with- and without a phone modem, battery, and LCD screen attached.
    People building robots probably love these boards. If a the latest Nvidia Tegra is too big, expensive, or power-hungry, but you really need some compute horsepower, then this could fit the bill.

    Originally posted by mulenmar View Post
    How hard is it to put an aarch64 CPU on a mini-ATX board, with dual-channel DDR3/4 RAM, a couple PCIe x8/x16 slots, and some PCI slots? Let people buy and install their own audio, Ethernet, and USB 3 controller cards, if you REALLY want to be cheap about it.
    Well, I was waiting for a long time for ARM boards to start shipping in NUC-sized mini-STX form factors. But it still hasn't happened. So, I just replaced the Pi I used as a micro-server with a mini-ITX Apollo Lake board. Mini-ITX is really bigger than I wanted, but I got sold on some of its other benefits and its performance is closer to this thing. Plus, it's still passively cooled.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by notgonnasay View Post
    Your numbers look completely off. Even ARM's own marketing materials for the A73 only cites 2x single thread performance over the A53, and only 30% better multi-thread performance at eight cores. Since th Pi only has 4 cores, lets say maybe 60% better for multi-threaded performance. Source: https://community.arm.com/processors...mobile-designs
    According to this, the A73 is > 2.8x as fast per-clock as the A53:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._ARMv8-A_cores

    When you factor in the clock speed delta, the per-core performance of the HiKey 960's A73s jumps to over 5.6 times the lowly Pi 3. And that's not even considering its A53 cores, that are clocked 50% higher than the Pi. So, even assuming some memory contention, LoveRPi's estimate of 3x is really on the low side.

    Originally posted by notgonnasay View Post
    What hole did you even pull the 10-100 times faster GPU number from? The Pi has an old GPU, to be sure, but big, and as far as I know there are no benchmarks that can give you any comparison points.
    The Pi 3's GPU is estimated at 28.8 GFLOPS (although I don't see any OpenCL support, so they might not do you much good), whereas the Mali-G71 MP8 is estimated at 244.8 GFLOPS (http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/), yielding an 8.5x speed up. As the GPU of the Pi 1 & 2 only achieved 24 GFLOPS, that would be a 10x speedup.

    I agree that 100x seems a bit out there. Maybe on some poorly-written software or something very sensitive to the amount of on-chip storage, you could see a non-linear multiple like that, but it's a bit of a head-scratcher.

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  • mulenmar
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    Originally posted by creative

    x86 is meat for strong men and ARM is milk for babes.

    If I really truly want be honest I could completely do without modern ARM all together. I find a lot of irritations in wireless stuff and how they have really become a nuisance in our modern day lives of increasing complexity. I have certain protocols that I have implemented to reduce the amount of irritation these mobile things that are up everyones ass all the time.
    x86 is milk for babes, with far too few registers. x86_64 FTW! ...if we're going to start with this missing-the-point waste of time.

    You're also conflating the CPU architecture used with the product it's used in. (Heck, until early last year, there were Intel Atoms in some phones.) Conflating the two is like complaining about all cars just because the engine in your Geo Metro went out.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by mulenmar View Post
    How hard is it to put an aarch64 CPU on a mini-ATX board, with dual-channel DDR3/4 RAM, a couple PCIe x8/x16 slots, and some PCI slots? Let people buy and install their own audio, Ethernet, and USB 3 controller cards, if you REALLY want to be cheap about it.
    These things are mostly using SoCs that come from Mobile segment so they aim at small size, high integration, low price and lack of any form of half-serious connectivity. (note the "low price")
    It's already great if they have a couple PCIe lines and USB 3.0.

    For a semi-decent x86-lookalike with an ARM chip you'd have to look at stuff aimed at networking equipment (router/NAS/firewall) by Marvell and others, and that's usually rather pricey and they don't really have much incentive to help you as they sell well already (Mobile is a far less funny market to be in, if you aren't Qualcomm anyway).

    Also with the fact that most higher-end SoCs come in a "main module" that has RAM/MMC/stuff + the actual SoC ready to be mounted on a daughterboard that only expands connectivity (because cost reasons, usually), again means it's even harder to get true PC-like freedom. Here an example http://linuxgizmos.com/com-runs-linu...armada-xp-soc/

    I really think the only one that can actually do anything about this is AMD (as they can simply have their x86 mobos work for their ARM chips too and afaik it was in their plans), and I really hope they eventually put their ARM plans in effect after all x86 Ryzen have been released.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by creative
    It is still thoughtful and nice for hardware post of odds and ends of stuff like this. I am thankful for all the news on Phoronix even if its something I am not really that interested in. It still can make for interesting conversation and I find other peoples opinions useful/entertaining.


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  • mulenmar
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    This is getting ridiculous; we have more than enough of these ARM toy-boards, with- and without a phone modem, battery, and LCD screen attached.

    How hard is it to put an aarch64 CPU on a mini-ATX board, with dual-channel DDR3/4 RAM, a couple PCIe x8/x16 slots, and some PCI slots? Let people buy and install their own audio, Ethernet, and USB 3 controller cards, if you REALLY want to be cheap about it.

    It's enough to make me wish the AmigaOne X5000 wasn't so expensive (and limited to USB 2, and using embedded-tech PPC). >_> Or that the EOMA68 project's hardware was out already.
    Last edited by mulenmar; 04-30-2017, 11:49 AM.

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  • creative
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    They aren't the only ones, btw. http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ (looks beefy)
    The Ultra package $250 for a quadcore Pentium with 8GB ram I could design one wicked tiny DAW with that system.

    I already built the Prometheus for digital artwork/music/video production +gaming.

    Anyone who wants to offer a 6950x I will gladly accept it with much gratitude though.

    Oh jubilant muse of twenty threadedness and ten core goodness, please bestow upon me your 25 megabytes of radiant L3 splendor.
    Last edited by creative; 04-28-2017, 01:41 PM.

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  • droidhacker
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    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

    Mali? No open drivers? Sorry but I quit. When will there be another Snapdragon board that we can use out of the box?
    Lets say "less than several months".
    What you are waiting for is the "Dragonboard 820c", which as the name implies, has a Snapdragon 820 for an SoC. Its using the 96boards "extended" form, and adds a few nice features, most notably a *wired ethernet*. Hasn't been much new data about it since mid February, but I've recently contacted Arrow, and they tell me that its being delayed by Qualcomm legal and will be made available once they get it forced through.

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  • t.s.
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    Originally posted by andreano View Post
    Don't be so harsh: Finally a board with A73, and not too little RAM.

    I have been looking for something powerful enough for desktop* use and suitable for running on 3S LiPo batteries. This one seems to fit the bill, except that the software support is going to suck for some time, expectedly.

    *desktop use = coding & compilation work
    Rather than this board, you'd be better get something like UDOO (look for post #23, starshipeleven). or get something like chuwi HiBox. Superb innards for just $129

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  • t.s.
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    They aren't the only ones, btw. http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ (looks beefy)
    Nice. Last time visited their site, the x86 section still doesn't populated like that. Still too expensive IMHO. Waiting for hardkernel offerings (they're good with what they're doing, cheaper compared to the others, and quite good support) .

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