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Acer Begins Publishing UEFI Firmware Updates For Linux Users On LVFS For Fwupd

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  • #21
    Originally posted by ThoreauHD View Post
    For Acer's margins, you would think they would be at the forefront of linux on a $300 good enough computer. But they are damn near as useless as Apple. This gives me some hope for their future on linux, even though they can't code their way out of a paper bag.
    What's wrong with Apple?

    I have a 2014 MBP running Linux now; laptop is still supported enough by Apple to have a BIOS date of July this year (which came from Catalina beta; the latest one from Mojave is just a month earlier). Firmware mostly works fine too (have some weird BAR resource allocation issue with Thunderbolt hotplug on Linux; works fine on macOS though).

    What other mainstream laptop is still getting BIOS updates of any sort after 5 years?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
      Afaik Acer UEFI updates are distributed like for Asus/Gigabyte, you download a zip file, extract it on a USB drive and then reboot into UEFI settings menu to actually load and flash it.
      Rats! You mean I didn't have to keep windoze on it to do the update ? Oh well, I'll know in the future. Thanks.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        Too bad Asus and Gigabyte does not support LVFS yet. 😢
        I think it's safer to update your motherboard's firmware from its own menu. I've heard lots of reports from Windows users having bricked motherboards after doing firmware updates from the OS.

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        • #24
          The next laptop I buy, LVFS support is going to be one the major selling points.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by amdtesterman View Post

            there is no need for asus at least, they have the possibility to do this with the bios..
            But then you need to enter the BIOS and check for updates.
            It is really nice if the update manager in the operating system can automatically check for updates in the background and notify you when there are updates available.

            Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

            I think it's safer to update your motherboard's firmware from its own menu. I've heard lots of reports from Windows users having bricked motherboards after doing firmware updates from the OS.
            But this is the way firmware updates are handled on Mac. On macOS you get firmware updates along with other system software updates. Seems to work good for Apple.

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            • #26
              For MOBO updates, obviously the BIOS/UEFI firmware update method has to and obviously will continue to exist.

              But:
              1- In most cases you can't just enter the UEFI and ask it to check online for a new version on its own. Instead you have to go online via a web browser, navigate through the manufacturer's website to find the exact right update file, save it to a pendrive, reboot into UEFI and apply it. If router firmware update statistics are anything to go by (for a similar or a bit easier procedure), this obviously isn't ideal for security (and there have been a few security issues needing firmware updates)

              2- BIOS/UEFI updates can only deliver (or at least usually only deliver) MoBo updates, while LVFS+fwupd can be used for any other components needing firmware too (eg: HD, SSD, NVMe, wifi/bluetooth chips, peripherals like touchpads, etc). Probably ACER's announcement is focused on MoBo updates, but especially in laptops it could use the same infrastructure to handle all firmware on the same system (these have been chosen by ACER for integration into that laptop so they also in theory fall within their responsability to support).

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              • #27
                Originally posted by post
                But then you need to enter the BIOS and check for updates.
                It is really nice if the update manager in the operating system can automatically check for updates in the background and notify you when there are updates available.
                I have an idea. Why not download the firmware update to a small filesystem in the motherboard, and then have it reboot to the firware updater menu? This way we have a compromise between stability and ease of use.

                Originally posted by post
                But this is the way firmware updates are handled on Mac. On macOS you get firmware updates along with other system software updates. Seems to work good for Apple.
                I didn't want to provoke a reply
                You know, Apple is out of the picture anyway. Their walled garden is why I won't discuss this matter.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  Firmware/Bios can be seen as hardware according to the FSF if it's a fixed hardware,
                  doesn't it only matter for members of fsf church?
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  but if you can send updates to every machine very often and automatically without the user making even a decision about it, is that then still true?
                  you can't do that, why are you interested in non-relevant questions? and btw "if you can send updates to every machine very often and automatically without the user making even a decision about it" then who cares whether this botnet is opensource or not?
                  Last edited by pal666; 09-13-2019, 03:27 PM.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by amdtesterman View Post
                    there is no need for asus at least, they have the possibility to do this with the bios..
                    surely there is a need to do software update the normal way, without writing it to usb drive first

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by amdtesterman View Post
                      sorry, bad spelling, the asus bios system update is better because it can be update through the bios itself, much better than be supported randomly by LVFS, because acer have 1 only model, but dell has little more.. only a few.
                      i think everyone can update through the bios, that's not something to be proud of. user has only one model so it is either his model supports lvfs and he can have nice things or his model doesn't support lvfs and he can't have nice things, or at least not yet

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