Raspberry Pi 4 Announced With Dual HDMI, USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, V3D Driver Stack

[coder]

Phoronix: Raspberry Pi 4 Announced With Dual HDMI, USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, V3D Driver Stack

Please benchmark the OpenCL performance, if you can. Thanks.

[coder]

The Odroid-N2 is $79 of asian goodness, while the Pi is $55 of Brit stiff upper lip.
The Odroid-N2 is Mali GPU with blobby driver, while Pi is VideoCore GPU with open source driver.
The Odroid-N2 is big, the Pi is small.
The Odroid-N2 is just one of many, the Pi is The One.

You forgot one:

The Odroid-N2 is fast, the Pi is slow.

The Pi stuck with lousy SD card for storage. Faster than before, but still no match for just about everything else.

[schmidtbag]

Although I personally have no gripes with micro HDMI, I do think it was unwise of them to not retain at least 1 where it has always been in previous generations. It's best if the Pis can retain the original form-factor and board layout as much as possible, considering how many products that revolve around that. One of the best things about this platform is how it can be a drop-in replacement to many accessories. The 2nd HDMI port could've been micro, USB-C or really anything else.

Another overpriced SBC. Unless someone is looking for something that's explicitly supported by this board, it's an overpriced piece of crap.

Name 1 product that's a better value for the features, specs, and community support. Just 1.

[Veto]

You forgot one:

The Odroid-N2 is fast, the Pi is slow.

Probably true. So if that is the most important parameter for you, you go buy the Odroid - or something even faster, bigger and more expensive.

[chithanh]

I think the real competition to the RPi 4B will be the RockPro64. It has less capable CPU+GPU compared to the ODroid N2, but superior connectivity to either of the competitors. Let's see how prices are moving now that the RPi Foundation has revealed their cards.

Item	Raspberry Pi 4B	RockPro64	ODroid N2
CPU	Broadcom BCM2711, 4xCortex-A72	RockChip RK3399, 2xCortex-A72+4xCortex-A53	AMLogic S922X, 4xCortex-A73+2xCortex-A53
Memory	1, 2 or 4 GB LPDDR4	2 or 4 GB LPDDR4	4 GB LPDDR4
GPU	VideoCore VI	Mali T860MP4	Mali G52
Storage	microSD	microSD+eMMC	microSD+eMMC
Display	2xmicroHDMI, MIPI DSI, Composite Video	HDMI, DisplayPort (via USB-C), eDP, MIPI DSI	HDMI, Composite Video
Connectivity	2xUSB 3.0 Type A, 2x USB 2.0 Type A, 3.5 mm Audio, UART	1xUSB 3.0 Type A, 1x USB 3.0 Type C, 2x USB 2.0 Type A, PCIe 2.0 x4, 3.5 mm Audio, UART	4xUSB 3.0 Type A, 1xmicroUSB 2.0 OTG, IR Receiver, UART
Network	1x GbE, 802.11ac Wifi, BT 5.0	1xGbE, 802.11ac Wifi, BT 4.1	1xGbE
Video Decode	4K@60 H.265, 1080P@60 H.264	4K@60 H.264/H.265/VP9, 4K@30 HDR, 1080P@60 MPEG1/2/4/VC-1	4K@60 H.265
Video Encode	1080P@30 H.264	?	?
Camera	MIPI CSI	2xMIPI CSI	N/A
RTC	N/A	battery header	battery header
Power	via USB-C or GPIO header, or PoE (optional)	via USB-C or coaxial connector	via coaxial connector
Price	$35 / $45 / $55 (1/2/4 GB)	$59.99/$79.99 (2/4 GB)	$79.99 (4 GB)

[techzilla]

I bought many embedded boards over the last few years, and many PI's in different hardware revisions. All of those boards sit in closets, because I'm limited in what I can realistically use or deploy in a sustainable manner. You can use a pre-created OS image, but I don't want that, I want to design my own OS systems without having to do low level systems engineering on every update. I want to use normal installation media, and have the power to decide what runs on my systems, and on a platform designed for me to do just that.

So my view has solidified for some time, I refuse to buy a single board without UEFI and ACPI. In addition the PI ecosystem doesn't serve the interests of the customer, it isn't designed to empower the user, it is designed to empower the foundation even at the expense of the user. This is why they didn't pursue UEFI, to protect Intel, and to make sure it was Windows on ARM that will define the entire platform. No thanks Android, no thanks Google, and no thanks Pi foundation. I can thank each of them for my growing pile of computers less than 3 years old nobody can use for any practical purpose. Apple I'd thank also... but nobody expected anything except wanton elitism from them anyway, and it's common knowledge they hate their customers.

I'll buy only Windows on ARM devices now, and I look forward to running Linux on them now or in the near future, no more bespoke fragmented platforms. Existing implementations for all the work, even on the damn PI, had already been completed. There was no excuse, other than to intentionally make things difficult.

[Faber]

Indeed. People tend to forget how much those things cost before the Pi. If I could, I would send those people back to the eighties to buy a BBC Micro (the inspiration for the RPi) for £335 and talk about what is expensive and what is cheap.

And adjusting for inflation, that $425 would be $1,197.35 USD today..

[tuxd3v]

It his regrettable that they have wasted the pcie os 4 usb ports..
They should have maximum 3 usb ports, with 1x3.0, 2x2.0 maximum,
The rest for a pcie header..

This Board, is more competitive against OrangePi One Plus..
It has more features( no pcie, but in Allwinner H6, pcie is broken so...no advantage..until someone step in and design a exotic driver for it.. ) .
I would love to see a full comparison at CPU/GPU with both boards at full throttle.. OpenGL, OpenCL, CPU, memory bandwidth..

[bnolsen]

If the rpi4 has up to date support for rolling distros like you get with most anything x86 related then I may be onboard. I've been heavily disappointed with getting locked into specific kernel versions with gimped incomplete hardware support.

[Guest]

Name 1 product that's a better value for the features, specs, and community support. Just 1.

Every single board from PINE64 beats rpi, and there's atomic pi if you want an x86 board. I'd have a tough time finding something as bad as rpi.