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  • LinX
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    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    whats the point of having a real "opensource" or free driver with the microcode open, if you use it in a steam closedsource proprietary drm plattform with proprietary games?

    If you dont care about freedom with drm and complete closed software system why does microcode of a driver than matter? I mean the rest ok, because of portability but then you dont need the microcode.
    You have to start somewhere... The more companies making successful business models around open source, the more companies should follow. While a number of business' in the past have made a killing out of their closed source, hardware / software, it seems in at least some cases that the model is unsustainable. Especially as more open technologies become competitive. It'll take a few open source games to become popular, have good graphics, sound and the like. But unfortunately it's likely to be the entertainment industry that takes the longest to adopt.

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  • iniudan
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    Originally posted by timothyja View Post
    Um, you realise you need to start somewhere right? If an open gpu is successfull a cpu could surely follow. GNU\Linux started of as the GNU open source tools in the 80's followed up with the Linux kernel in the 90's.
    Yes, but software is much easier to start from nowhere, has minimal investment is required if you have volunteer manpower.

    Hardware require money to actually large investment produce something that will actually recoup it cost has to be able to continue further development and/or take care of specific needs of a financial backer.

    Why do you think Open Compute Project work, it simply because Facebook finance the development of standard for their own need that were not fulfilled by any OEM, they just decided to be nice and make it open project was more beneficial for them, has other may bring innovation their own engineer didn't envision, has they have no intention of going into the OEM market.

    Also you not going to get anywhere developing a open sourced GPU architecture unless you have large amount of money available and a team of willing of experienced GPU engineers, has to compete with AMD, Nvidia or Matrox discrete solution, since system-on-a-chip GPU are good enough for most purpose these day.

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  • timothyja
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    Originally posted by iniudan View Post
    I don't think there is a point to it, has the kickstarter would never gather enough money to have a budget, that would let them survive the discrete market, has general purpose computing no longer has use for a dedicated GPU, has integrated GPU are now good enough.
    Well the post says "Up to now the company has licensed their technology to various firms." so I assume the company already has its market figured out. Also as I said previously with Kickstarter projects it not always about getting something you need but having fun watching the company come up with a product. I would hope they would do regular blog post/videos about the project.
    Last edited by timothyja; 07-16-2013, 07:19 PM.

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  • blackiwid
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    Originally posted by LinX View Post
    I've been thinking of this for quite some time.

    I would through money behind it if it meets some specific requirements.


    7. Active corperate backing. I'd like to see it made, marketed, deals and talks made with Valve and any other interested gaming company.. I'd also like to see them contribute. (Think of a valve console with open Graphics )
    whats the point of having a real "opensource" or free driver with the microcode open, if you use it in a steam closedsource proprietary drm plattform with proprietary games?

    If you dont care about freedom with drm and complete closed software system why does microcode of a driver than matter? I mean the rest ok, because of portability but then you dont need the microcode.

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  • LinX
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    Originally posted by timothyja View Post
    Um, you realise you need to start somewhere right? If an open gpu is successfull a cpu could surely follow. GNU\Linux started of as the GNU open source tools in the 80's followed up with the Linux kernel in the 90's.
    Sun Sparc T1 and T2 are completely Open Source... HERE

    It would require some work but eventually it would be possible to make a completely open source PC, you'd just need money and maybe a Silicon Foundry along with a Fab.

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  • iniudan
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    I don't think there is a point to it, has the kickstarter would never gather enough money to have a budget, that would let them survive the discrete market, has general purpose computing no longer has use for a dedicated GPU, has integrated GPU are now good enough.

    Best chance these day for a open source discrete GPU would be in an Open Compute Project's OpenCL related hardware.

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  • timothyja
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    Originally posted by MWisBest View Post
    What would be cool is a completely open-source computer (I'm talking desktop here, not a little Raspberry Pi), but just a GPU isn't going to do any good.
    Um, you realise you need to start somewhere right? If an open gpu is successfull a cpu could surely follow. GNU\Linux started of as the GNU open source tools in the 80's followed up with the Linux kernel in the 90's.

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  • LinX
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    I've been thinking of this for quite some time.

    I would through money behind it if it meets some specific requirements.

    1. OpenGL 2 at the very very least. Much prefer 3.0 to be the minimum, but I'm aware patents and the like can get in the way of this.

    2. Full Verilog Code being GPL'd, along with driver Code, no silly wrappers or fuse blobs.

    3. Decent power management.

    4. Support for the Linux Mir/Wayland. Would like to see Gallium framework used, unless for any reason it may be too restrictive.

    5. No UVD? Point of open source card with smatterings of closed source chips on it.

    6. Decent performance.. I don't expect an nvidia, amd killer, If it can outperform Intel's Iris, That would be handy.

    7. Active corperate backing. I'd like to see it made, marketed, deals and talks made with Valve and any other interested gaming company.. I'd also like to see them contribute. (Think of a valve console with open Graphics )

    8. OpenCL support.

    9. Scalability would be nice, Desktop to phone if possible. But I can understand if the architecture doesn't initially support this.

    10. Tutorials educational material to get any budding engineer working and contributing to this project.

    I think that would be enough as a start. I hope I'm bot being too ambitious. The biggest part would have to be the corperate backing though. If they opensource then abandon it, hope for the hardware will be slim. However, if they release code with apropriate licensing, actively make the hardware, while contributing the open source community will back them up and contribute. Well at least I hope I wouldn't be alone in that.

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  • red_team316
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    I think if the GPU can compete on a level with Nvidia and AMD, then yes, it would be a good thing to do. As far as desktop graphics, I find it hard for myself to not stick with Nvidia simply because their Linux blob driver "just works" in almost every case I need it to. Nouveau has been improving but still doesn't quite cut it for me.

    A GPU that will work consistently on Linux/Windows/Mac, no questions asked, is a surefire winner for me.

    I think if they market the GPU properly to their prospective user base and can actually deliver on their promises, then it will be a huge success and will really stir things up in the GPU arena. Using "open source" as the sole means to push a bad product would be disaster.

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  • necro-lover
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    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...rietary-driver

    Nvidia also do have a plan to opensource there drivers. So we better support this kickstarter projekt.

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