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  • Luzipher
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    Uh, I don't really have experience with newer nVidia cards ... I'd say go cheaper if you plan to upgrade soon, go more expensive if you want to keep the card for a while.

    Hm, I just checked prices, the cheapest 260 is about 150?, the cheapest 285 is about 260?. And it seems the 285 is about 20% faster (just checked very few benchmarks on Anandtech). That wouldn't really justify the price premium for the 285 for me.
    By the way, the GTX470 seems to start at about 320?, that makes the 285 even more unattractive, I think.

    Another point would be DX11 / OpenGL 4 compliance, you don't get that with nVidia below a GTX4xx, but if you plan to upgrade not too far in the future anyway, this doesn't really matter.

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  • Emanem
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    Originally posted by Luzipher View Post
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    So, it's really a bit of a dilemma. My personal stance is that I'd go with ATI for their support of OpenSource - but that means you have to wait at least some more months ... and maybe years. ATI has cheaper, cooler and more power-efficient cards, but it doesn't have video-acceleration, support for recent developments (in fglrx) or top performance.
    If you don't care for power, temperature, noise, price and closed source but want top performance in 3D and want it now - go with Nvidia.
    I see what you mean mate.
    Maybe I'll go for i7 + 12 GB Ram and a mid range nVidia. What would you recommend between the following:
    GTX 260
    GTX 285
    ?

    Any more suggestions?
    Cheers,

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  • Luzipher
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    Well, my 2cents:
    Ati/OpenSource: Dual-Screen with xrandr works great on the open source ATI-drivers, I don't think TwinView could be much better. I also managed to play a mission in WoW (Icecrown) on my HD4870, but it still has glitches and crashes and you don't get eye-candy. So if you want to game seriously, the OpenSource driver is not there yet, especially if you go for Evergreen (no 3D yet, but work on that is visible).
    Ati/fglrx: worked quite well for me, but on the other hand I didn't use it much. Biggest problem is the tremendously lagging support of new X servers, so if you want to live on the edge, fglrx doesn't work.
    Nvidia/OpenSource: Compiz works, suspend works, gaming doesn't on NV50 (that should give support up to the GTX295 afaik). I regularily use nouveau on my laptop for quite a few months now and it is definitely usable and quite stable (well, the screensaver not so much ;-) ). GTX4xx support might take a while, as there is no support from Nvidia for this driver.
    Nvidia/Proprietary: Worked great for me. If you don't care for OpenSource and want the most features and the best 3D acceleration, this is the way to go at the moment. Also has VDPAU. Actually I bought Nvidia cards for their linux support for years, until AMD started their OpenSource initiative.

    Hm, a word on the GTX4xx: I wouldn't want one: All reports I read say they get really hot and they need a incredible amount of power. And I just think it's not worth that and the price premium for ~10% more performance. Additionally, with temperatures above 90?C, I could very well imagine that those cards don't live too long. But maybe I'm sort of biased, as I already had a Nvidia card (7800 I think) that blew up just after a few months - and the replacement 7900 had artifacts and had to be replaced again - with an rather unstable card during summer (at least I believe it was the graphics card). Also the GTX4xx might have very serious supply shortages, so you might have problems finding one in the near future.

    So, it's really a bit of a dilemma. My personal stance is that I'd go with ATI for their support of OpenSource - but that means you have to wait at least some more months ... and maybe years. ATI has cheaper, cooler and more power-efficient cards, but it doesn't have video-acceleration, support for recent developments (in fglrx) or top performance.
    If you don't care for power, temperature, noise, price and closed source but want top performance in 3D and want it now - go with Nvidia.

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  • haplo602
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    I guess your only viable option is Nvidia ... I am an ATI faithfull, but it get's harder and harder :-) The main thing are drivers. ATI HW is great, but the drivers drag it down to 50% or less compared to equivalent Nvidia card.

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  • misiu_mp
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    Originally posted by Emanem View Post
    I'm currently having issues with my notebook (it costed 2000 EUR in 2007 ) because when the CPU (2 cores) stays at max 2.4 GHz for more than 2 minutes (even 1 only core) Linux decides it's time to shutdown, so it gracefully performs a mandatory quick shutdown.
    Is this because of overheating? Maybe you should check your ventilation channels and clean them from the dust. To do it properly you might need to remove the cpu heat sink (remember to reapply the cooling compound). Most likely you need a clean up not an upgrade.

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  • gbeauche
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    Originally posted by Emanem View Post
    Gamer+OpenCL dev+Dual screen, Linux (Ubuntu) x86-64 only (from a moral standpoint I do refuse to buy anything from MSFT).
    If you are Linux only, go with NVIDIA. There is strong support of the driver, you are assured to get the best experience with that HW there. As for the CPU, the current Nehalem architecture is good, but I would wait for Sandy Bridge just to play with AVX. ;-)

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  • LinuxID10T
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    I would go for the Phenom II X4 and the Radeon HD 5850. Dual screen support?!? How about hexa-screen support?

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  • Emanem
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    I would go for i7-860 + GTX 470.
    I think I might go for that... only issue is that i7 should consume a bit more in idle and cost 200 GBP more...
    I wouldn't be afraid of buying an AMD/ATI card. I have an ati 4650 myself and use it for parallel programming via opencl and ati's stream sdk.

    Really the only issue I have is slow 2d without a patched xorg server. But as far as I know they are working on a new 2d part of the fglrx driver.
    I'd go for that, really, maybe 58xx, but what about dual screen and wine/OpenGL/OpenCL support?
    Apparently nVidia is great on this side (drivers always up to date etc etc... - but still I'd be glad to give my GBP to AMD/ATi that actively support open source)...

    Any more suggestions/replies more than welcome!

    Cheers,

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  • tball
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    I wouldn't be afraid of buying an AMD/ATI card. I have an ati 4650 myself and use it for parallel programming via opencl and ati's stream sdk.

    Really the only issue I have is slow 2d without a patched xorg server. But as far as I know they are working on a new 2d part of the fglrx driver.

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  • Kano
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    I would go for i7-860 + GTX 470.

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