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  • #71
    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post
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    Maybe we have watched two different fucking videos. Everything I said was in the video including layoffs. They have hundreds of engineers workings on designing PCBs for NVIDIA cards - maybe a few of them will be moved to the PSU department, others will have literally nothing else to do. You have zero facts, a ton of speculation and very little common sense. Stephen Burke on the other hand was largely unbiased and cool-headed and he, like me, seriously doubted a ton of things.

    Not a single person here works for either NVIDIA, EVGA, ASUS, MSI, GigaByte, Palit, etc. yet most have precise insight into the relationships between NVIDIA and its board partners. Sorry, but this is absolute fucking BS which I'm not going to discuss any further.
    Last edited by birdie; 17 September 2022, 08:10 AM.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by birdie View Post

      Review guidelines have existed since forever.

      For AMD, Intel, Apple, etc. etc. etc.

      Normally when you receive products for free you're expected to follow the guideline. If you don't you face consequences.

      HWU was the first outlet to shit on/disregard NVIDIA's guidelines and they were punished for that. As if it wasn't enough, they made everything public, i.e. they shate on NVIDIA twice. Maybe you don't understand how this entire industry works. HWU could have bought NVIDIA GPUs in retail for their own money and reviewed them however they saw fit. This is not what happened.

      You're so fucking out of the loop it's cringe worthy.
      First, I'm not out of the loop. Second, So what? what if those guidlines simply cross the line of being absurdly ridiculous? Like not focusing enough on specific features and like I said, to the point of dictating the reviewer what to say? Have you heard about similar cases with AMD or Intel? about their dissatisfaction with the way their product is reviewed? Cause I haven't.
      If these are the guidelines of Nvidia and you defend them, then sorry, but you lack sanity and common sense.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by user1 View Post

        First, I'm not out of the loop. Second, So what? what if those guidlines simply cross the line of being absurdly ridiculous? Like not focusing enough on specific features and like I said, to the point of dictating the reviewer what to say? Have you heard about similar cases with AMD or Intel? about their dissatisfaction with the way their product is reviewed? Cause I haven't.
        If these are the guidelines of Nvidia and you defend them, then sorry, but you lack sanity and common sense.
        Have you read my message? Go buy in retail/etail whatever you want and review it however you want. Weeks after everyone did it. Which means barely any YouTube views and profits. You're making me feel like I'm talking to an imbecile or someone who doesn't speak English.

        And that's so fucking insincere of you to say that I'm defending NVIDIA when I said, precisely:

        Review guidelines have existed since forever.

        For AMD, Intel, Apple, etc. etc. etc.


        Sorry, I've added you to my BL. I have better things to do than to argue with people who don't understand business relationships and laws.
        Last edited by birdie; 17 September 2022, 08:16 AM.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by birdie View Post

          Maybe we have watched two different fucking videos. Everything I said was in the video including layoffs. They have hundreds of engineers workings on designing PCBs for NVIDIA cards - maybe a few of them will be moved to the PSU department, others will have literally nothing else to do. You have zero facts, a ton of speculation and very little common sense. Stephen Burke on the other hand was largely unbiased and cool-headed and he, like me, seriously doubted a ton of things.
          Someone moving from one department (GPU) to another department (PSU) is not a layoff. Also someone voluntarily leaving because they can't do the work they want to do anymore is also not a layoff. Thats what the video was saying, if you voluntarily leave while getting paid its not a layoff.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by birdie View Post

            Have you read my message? Go buy in retail/etail whatever you want and review it however you want. Weeks after everyone did it. Which means barely any YouTube views and profits. You're making me feel like I'm talking to an imbecile or someone who doesn't speak English.

            And that's so fucking insincere of you to say that I'm defending NVIDIA when I said, precisely:

            Review guidelines have existed since forever.

            For AMD, Intel, Apple, etc. etc. etc.


            Sorry, I've added you to my BL. I have better things to do than to argue with people who don't understand business relationships and laws.
            I didn't explicitly say you're defending Nvidia. IF is the keyword of my last sentence. But tbh, you seem to make an excuse for every action Nvidia does, so that make you seem like you really are defending it. Again, I know review guidelines have existed forever. But that doesn't always make them "right" from the moral point of view. You know, same thing with law. Every citizen must obey the law in every country. But not all laws (at least in the past) are "right" or "just" from the moral point of view. Maybe now you'll finally understand my point.
            Last edited by user1; 17 September 2022, 09:12 AM.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by user1 View Post
              I didn't explicitly say you're defending Nvidia. IF is the keyword of my last sentence. But tbh, you seem to make an excuse for every action Nvidia does, so that make you seem like you really are defending it. Again, I know review guidelines have existed forever. But that doesn't always make them "right" from the moral point of view. You know, same thing with law. Every citizen must obey the law in every country. But not all laws (at least in the past) are "right" or "just" from the moral point of view. Maybe now you'll finally understand my point.
              Just to drive this point home; If there was a law saying black people can't go to the University, is this a fair law? Because that *was* a federal law a mere 100 years ago.

              Just because the law is written does not mean it is a good law, or just law, or even something that belongs in an enlightened society. Heck, there are numerous lists of idiotic laws online. Did you know that in the U.K. it is (or was?) illegal to commit suicide, a crime punishable by death?

              So, no, "It's written in the guidelines" is not a good enough defense.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by birdie View Post
                Maybe we have watched two different fucking videos. Everything I said was in the video including layoffs. They have hundreds of engineers workings on designing PCBs for NVIDIA cards - maybe a few of them will be moved to the PSU department, others will have literally nothing else to do. You have zero facts, a ton of speculation and very little common sense. Stephen Burke on the other hand was largely unbiased and cool-headed and he, like me, seriously doubted a ton of things.
                https://www.evga.com/products/feature.aspx

                PSU department has been EVGA second biggest income department and biggest profit. But that is not EVGA only department they do have a new motherboard department.

                https://www.evga.com/products/produc...121-AL-E699-KR
                Yes the kingpin line of motherboards. All the people asked at the press conference what would kingpin be doing.

                If you were looking at the department in EVGA that would have the most skill overlap with GPU board design that would be motherboard design.

                Remember EVGA only makes 4 motherboards at the moment and only in 1 form factor. So this product line could increase number of products a lot with more staff.

                EVGA said they are not planing to lay off any staff. This could be that they have plans on how to reuse the existing Nvidia gpu staff. Yes if intel and AMD are treating them better on motherboards and motherboards are more profitable expanding the motherboard line may be the correct move for at least 12 months.

                Going straight into bed with Intel or AMD on GPUs is most likely bad idea. Motherboard sales with Intel and AMD does effect board partners access to their GPU chips.

                The response about kingpin developer at EVGA thing was interesting that the CEO believed he knew what he would be working on in future instead of GPUs. Yet all the reviewers who were invited who had been dealing with kingpin were sure he did not know what he was working on. The CEO response was as if a product was already released that why I went looking and found the kingpin motherboard. Of course kingpin may have been thinking the kingpin motherboard was a side project and the CEO was thinking develop kingpin motherboards into mainline products.

                Birdie all the people making videos about EVGA location were thinking layoff. Also EVGA CEO stating no new product lines did not rule out expand of existing product lines. Motherboards is existing product line of EVGA.

                Not one of them who attended the EVGA thing sat down and look at the EVGA product lines and when what one is the closet to GPUs. The nearest to GPU in designer requirements is motherboards. Its been funny EVGA makes IPX GPUs but does not have IPX motherboard. There are many form factors and chipset in motherboards that EVGA has not been doing. Doing all those different form factors and chipset of motherboard will require lots of staff at first.

                But time will tell.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post

                  Maybe we have watched two different fucking videos. Everything I said was in the video including layoffs. They have hundreds of engineers workings on designing PCBs for NVIDIA cards - maybe a few of them will be moved to the PSU department, others will have literally nothing else to do. You have zero facts, a ton of speculation and very little common sense. Stephen Burke on the other hand was largely unbiased and cool-headed and he, like me, seriously doubted a ton of things.

                  Not a single person here works for either NVIDIA, EVGA, ASUS, MSI, GigaByte, Palit, etc. yet most have precise insight into the relationships between NVIDIA and its board partners. Sorry, but this is absolute fucking BS which I'm not going to discuss any further.
                  Does EVGA design their own PSUs? Most "PSU vendors", like Corsair, Chieftec, Modecom doesn't design anything(except labels and outside 'design'), and buys from OEM vendors, like Seasonic, Fortron, Delta, etc.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by theriddick View Post

                    FSR1 was terrible, FSR2.0 had artifacting, FSR2.1 is ok now but later DLSS methods still outpace it. FSR2 is limited to not as many games atm and has had less time to bake in the oven.

                    Ray Tracing is now in MANY games and works quite well with RTX cards coupled with DLSS2.x. It seems you've just not played anything with decent RT support. I really don't need to advertise it, plenty of videos on YT showing RT on/off and its worth+use...
                    Lol…

                    DLSS 1 also sucked, but of course you didn’t mentioned that.

                    DLSS 2, funny enough, it has shimmering artifacts.

                    And considering that it requires extra hardware that conveniently is only present on RTX gpus (GTX customers can go and pound on sand), should they get praises?

                    Also, again, you conveniently ignored how FSR works on AMD AND nvidia gpus, but of course, fanboism wont let you see why thats a good thing.

                    oh well, i wasted enough time on this.

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                    • #80
                      The discussion about FSR got me to realize that it's now usable with mpv, not sure if it's better than FSRCNNX though.

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