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  • MaxToTheMax
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    Article keeps talking about how the Navi drivers are still early and performance isn't up to snuff yet-- but the 5700 seems consistently a bit faster than the 2060, and the 5700 XT seems consistently a bit faster than the 2070. Seems like the Linux performance is exactly where it should be. I don't see the problem, am I missing something?

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    i have no idea, it's not me demanding that amd must stop any work on amdvlk right now because i hear voices in my head
    Way to try and put words in my mouth that i never said. I don't care if AMD works on amdvlk or not. I'm just saying their product right now is pathetic.
    no, giant cluster is for example when dxvk apps are randomly crashing on failed allocation, but that's not amd
    If AMD had launched without a windows driver they would have been the laughingstock of the internet, and it would have been deserved. People would have been fired and it would have rightly been considered a disaster. The fact that none of that is going to happen for amdvlk just goes to show exactly how much they care about it.
    windows support is surely meaningful for amd and 99% of their users do care about it
    And the sky is blue. You seem to try to be putting words in my mouth again, but since you never actually claimed i said that I guess I'll pass on this for now.
    it's a linux binary. source code runs on windows and is developed by windows devs. though not compiler yet, but they are aiming to use it too eventually
    It has no DirectX support, if you think that's going to replace their windows drivers you are insane. They will have their actual windows drivers, and then they will cherry pick code commits out of that into a sanitized copy they have named amdvlk. That's what the project has always been. That's what it will be for the forseeable future. Windows is always going to get the unfiltered upstream version, not the sanitized cherry picked version.
    who told you this bullshit? of course it does run navi hardware, they just can't show you its sources yet
    Umm, Michael here at phoronix told me, and if i had hardware it'd be easy enough to check by downloading the driver from AMD's website. Anything hidden in a vault somewhere and unaccessible by users is completely pointless.
    which comes without source code, tadam
    And yet you're claiming that amdvlk is that source code, so which is it? Is amdvlk the source code for the windows driver, or not?
    Last edited by smitty3268; 09 July 2019, 10:44 PM.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    so you are using 720p, or obsessed with higher resolutions?
    thinking that factor of 4 is on par with factor of 9/4 shows that you have issues with numbers
    The analogy is fundamentally flawed. You seemed to miss that, or possibly you just cannot allow sound logic to get in the way of your lulz.

    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    you've mentioned only your misconceptions
    If they are misconceptions, you've shown no evidence to support that view.

    Just answer this: are you trolling me because you actually care about 4:4:4 support, or just for your usual reasons?

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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    And will that be before or after amdvlk gains support?
    i have no idea, it's not me demanding that amd must stop any work on amdvlk right now because i hear voices in my head
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    I don't know, but the very fact that we don't know the answer to that shows what a giant cluster this is for AMD.
    no, giant cluster is for example when dxvk apps are randomly crashing on failed allocation, but that's not amd
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    It doesn't, because first that's meaningless and users don't care.
    windows support is surely meaningful for amd and 99% of their users do care about it
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    Second, amdvlk doesn't run on windows. It's a linux driver.
    it's a linux binary. source code runs on windows and is developed by windows devs. though not compiler yet, but they are aiming to use it too eventually
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    And thirdly, and most importantly, the whole reason we're having this conversation is precisely because amdvlk doesn't run navi hardware
    who told you this bullshit? of course it does run navi hardware, they just can't show you its sources yet
    Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
    , unlike AMD's actual windows driver.
    which comes without source code, tadam

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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    I don't have any deal with 1080p.
    so you are using 720p, or obsessed with higher resolutions?
    Originally posted by coder View Post
    Putting this on par with luma resolution betrays an uncharacteristic degree of ignorance, for you.
    thinking that factor of 4 is on par with factor of 9/4 shows that you have issues with numbers
    Originally posted by coder View Post
    I was just curious why tildearrow seems to be so obsessed with 4:4:4, which isn't even well-supported among player software/hardware.
    i'm pretty sure you can find hardware which doesn't support 1080p
    Originally posted by coder View Post
    It's intended as a pro format, for the reasons I mentioned.
    you've mentioned only your misconceptions

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    what is your deal with 1080p anyway? you'll be perfectly fine with 720p
    I don't have any deal with 1080p. Putting this on par with luma resolution betrays an uncharacteristic degree of ignorance, for you.

    I was just curious why tildearrow seems to be so obsessed with 4:4:4, which isn't even well-supported among player software/hardware. It's intended as a pro format, for the reasons I mentioned. So, I wondered if he fits that userbase, or else why he is so obsessed with it.

    In my experience, it's much more important to get the correct Y/C phase and use quality chroma decimation and reconstruction. If you get those things right, you won't notice the lower bandwidth of chroma, which is why chroma sub-sampling is nearly universal among video codecs.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by Mike Frett View Post
    Video cards and cpus disappoint me. They should be getting faster, smaller and more energy efficient and they are not.
    They are getting faster, smaller, and more energy efficient!

    Navi is faster than Vega, overall, and certainly faster than Polaris.

    Navi is smaller, both because it has fewer shaders than Vega and it packs 10.3 Billion transistors into 251 mm^2, whereas Vega fit 12.5 Billion transistors into 486 mm^2. In comparison, Polaris 20 had 5.7 Billion transistors on a 232 mm^2 die (although the XT has 11% more shaders than it).

    Finally, Navi is more efficient, providing more fps / W. In fact, Michael graphed this for you, so it's easy to see. Just search the article for "Frames Per Second Per Watt" and you can see how it ranks on various games.

    I'm guessing your real complaints are that you want absolute power consumption to drop and graphics card size to decrease. However, the race for more performance means that the density and efficiency gains are being plowed right back into more performance, which generates heat that has to be dissipated with a cooler about the same size as before.

    If you're willing to trade performance for energy savings and physical size, then you can simply buy an entry-level card, which range anywhere from about 35 W to 75 W and are (mostly) available in a half-height, half-length form factor. You'll find that these cards are on roughly the same generational performance & efficiency curve as the higher-end cards, but obviously at a lower absolute level. AMD has yet to release a new entry-level card, in this generation. Don't hold your breath, as they might simply rebrand a Polaris GPU to fit the bill. They don't usually replace their entire range, every generation. Typically, the lower-end cards are only redesigned every 2 or 3 generations.

    For more information, give this a close read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...RX_5000_Series

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

    OK, so this is my deal.
    I do care about preserving exact colors. 4:2:0 is detrimental to screen recording because it blurs red/magenta text and desaturates some areas. I do need it.
    When you have an unusual use-case like that it's on you to buy hardware that actually supports your needs. It's not like AMD has been marketing the fact that they provide that and then chosen not to put it in their linux drivers, you just chose to buy hardware that doesn't do what you wish it did.

    Whining on Phoronix isn't going to achieve anything, I guarantee you no one from AMD cares.
    Last edited by smitty3268; 08 July 2019, 10:08 PM.

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  • smitty3268
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    first, authoritative source says radv doesn't have hardware support and will not have it for some weeks.
    And will that be before or after amdvlk gains support? I don't know, but the very fact that we don't know the answer to that shows what a giant cluster this is for AMD.

    second, how does it answer question about supporting 99% of windows userbase?
    It doesn't, because first that's meaningless and users don't care. Second, amdvlk doesn't run on windows. It's a linux driver. And thirdly, and most importantly, the whole reason we're having this conversation is precisely because amdvlk doesn't run navi hardware, unlike AMD's actual windows driver. That's the whole point. If it wasn't such a failure, then just maybe other points would matter.

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  • tildearrow
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    what is your deal with 1080p anyway? you'll be perfectly fine with 720p
    More like 540p.

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