AMD Rumored To Be Soon Launching A 12nm Polaris Refresh

[artivision]

If 2060 comes fast and it's an Rtx, then i'm afraid that Amd would not be able to sell Gpus any more. Its time for Amd to release an rx670 Apu with an extra server-like card variant that doesn't need motherboard.

[shmerl]

That includes CPUs, FPGAs, mainboards, chipsets, networking, storage, memory, ... It's irrelevant while talking about GPUs.

It is relevant for AMD. They unlike Nvidia are making CPUs as well, and are also busy with integrated case about which Nvidia don't care at all. So their higher focus on the datacenter and non gaming overall is to be expected.

Globalfoundries cancelled their 7nm effort. Everybody wants TSMC's 7nm Chips - Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, Nvidia, ... they all build and sell more chips than AMD. The 7nm fab capacity is very limited

Samsung have their own 7 nm foundires. TSMC capacity isn't that limited. They expected high demand and in fact to be profitable, they have to have higher capacity. That's exactly why Gloabalfoundries cancelled 7 nm. They just didn't have that much demand to justify expenses of 7 nm production to beat Moore's second law. TSMC doesn't have that issue because of growing demand and capacity.

So TSMC is not the reason for AMD not to release gaming cards sooner.

[juno]

That includes CPUs, FPGAs, mainboards, chipsets, networking, storage, memory, ... It's irrelevant while talking about GPUs.
And Vega is obviously targeted for professionals because the prices are way higher there. Globalfoundries cancelled their 7nm effort. Everybody wants TSMC's 7nm Chips - Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, Nvidia, ... they all build and sell more chips than AMD. The 7nm fab capacity is very limited, the manufacturing is too expensive and the product not good enough in graphics to sell high amounts to consumers with good margins. Nvidia has been doing this for years and you won't say they are not caring about consumers because the computing market is bigger. That's nonsense given the numbers above. Intel has been doing the same for years. New processing nodes are almost always introduced in high priced products.

[shmerl]

It isn't. Don't believe the made-up statements without a source. Gaming/consumer is by far the greatest market. Taking numbers from Nvidia:

It is. From Lisa Su (AMD CEO):

Addressing NVIDIA and Intel Su said "high performance computing is a $75 billion market. We have an opportunity to address that entire market. We believe our technology is very competitive. The fact is there's a need for many solutions and our customers are saying they like our growth map and they're excited about what we have."

AMD is very clearly focused now on compute / datacenter more than on gaming. That's why they are pushing out 7 nm Vega for datacenters, but not for gamers yet. And they are going to address gaming more seriously only in a year or so. You can argue about what's better, but that's what AMD decided according to their priorities.

[juno]

Not always but for a long time.


@torsionbar28: You responded to the wrong person. I've made a clear constraint to high performance products in my statement. Also for me, Nvidia is not competitive because of the drivers. But I represent an unimportant minority.
Nevertheless, those shiny high end products always also have an effect to the sales of smaller products in the portfolio. Nvidia is selling 3 for each of AMD's GPUs. Those are certainly not only high end ones.

[Marc Driftmeyer]

Another 12nm GPU? Hmm, seems like their 7nm Navis are still several months away.

btw.: I considered buying a cheap Graphics card that can drive 3 displays, AMD has nothing below 200€ while I can get a Nvidia one for 50€. AMD, fix your lineup please.

Navi was always scheduled for 2019.

[r1348]

Nevermind, I got myself a used RX580 8GB for 180€ a month ago (bought new in january), bankrupt miners are dumping them on eBay now, you get a really good bang for buck ratio and you get to bathe in the tears of broke morons.

[humbug]

Good move by AMD. Nvidia doesn't launch the gtx 2060 until next year. Right now the rx580 and gtx 1060 are neck and neck.

this new release will put AMD firmly in the performance lead in this price segment well ahead of the gtx 1060. They have a good few months including holiday season to cash in on that.

[torsionbar28]

It's a fact that AMD can't currently compete with Volta or Turing. Or even the high-end Pascals for that matter.

False. You and others seem to think that "compete" means to compare the very top of the line most expensive parts, and see who's is fastest. That's not the way the market works. Very few people buy the most expensive top of the line part. The vast majority of the market is the so-called "value segment" which is the low to midrange parts. In this market, absolute performance doesn't mean very much. Performance per dollar means everything. Forget technologies and model names. If AMD can sell a $149 part that performs on par or better than the $149 part from Nvidia, that is solid competition by any definition. The fact that AMD's $699 part is slower than Nvidia's $999 part is almost meaningless in terms of dollars and sales.

Even more relevant to readers of this forum, is the fact that AMD has highly competitive open source drivers, while NVidia does not and probably never will. As Linux does not generally get the latest AAA game titles anyways, absolute performance again doesn't matter. If the $149 AMD part gets 155 fps in most Linux Steam games, and the $149 Nvidia part gets 170 fps, who cares? That is not a difference that any human will ever notice, and any self-respecting FOSS geek will see the wisdom in selecting AMD.

[juno]

I had no idea that the compute segment was bigger than gaming!

It isn't. Don't believe the made-up statements without a source. Gaming/consumer is by far the greatest market. Taking numbers from Nvidia:

Gaming: $1.8 billion
Datacenter: $760 million
Workstation/"Professional Visualization": $281 million

source: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...er-fiscal-2019

And Nvidia sells much, much more to professionals than AMD does.

Another source is AMD, estimating a TAM (total addressable market) for low-end to mainstream of ~$10 billion and ~$3-4 billion for "premium and professional" - which still includes higher-end gaming cards not intended for professional use (taken from Vega presentation graph).