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Originally posted by seeker010 View Postclearly you have no idea what I'm talking about. How about you look into programs like steinberg's cubase, cakewalk's sonar, etc first, then let's come back and do a comparison between a lynxtwo and your card of choice.
These are the questions. The answer is simple... NO I wont.
As such a hardware mixer has no benefits for me and probably 99% of the rest of the worlds users. But a software mixer has a freakin ton. Number one, a hardware mixer id fixed function. It cant be updated. A software mixer can....Last edited by duby229; 18 April 2008, 02:17 PM.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostI'm talking about listening to audio. Can I hear a difference or not. I couldnt give two flying f's whether it has some arbitrary amount of latency. Does it pop or skip? Does it sound better or not? Will I notice a difference or not?
These are the questions. The answer is simple... NO I wont.
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Originally posted by seeker010 View Postthen why are you wasting bits by replying to me? I never said hardware mixer improved quality. You asked why it was needed, and I answered. You're either too arrogant to acknowledge your mistake, or too stupid to understand.
Ok thats cool. Some people need that.
On the other hand pushing a hardware mixer as better for the sake of less then 1% of the user base is kinda arrogant and stupid too.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostOh ok so your one of those people who after losing an argument revert to name calling.
Ok thats cool. Some people need that.
On the other hand pushing a hardware mixer as better for the sake of less then 1% of the user base is kinda arrogant and stupid too.
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Show me where having a hardware mixer would equate to a lower cost...
And dont put words in my mouth. What I have said and am continuing to say is that if you purchase a sound card with decent op amps and a decent DAC you can get just as good sound as anything with a hardware mixer, and a hell of alot more flexibility and support.
Where is the inherent benefit to having a hardware mixer? You said latency, and I said it doesn't matter. In a sound test you wont notice a difference.
Where is the inherent benefit to having a software mixer? And I said that you get more flexibility and support by having an upgradeable system in place, among many other benefits to boot.
For that less then 1% of folks that can benefit from a hardware mixer there are solutions for them, but for the 99% of everyone else it just isn't needed.
Like I said in the beginning as long as your card has decent op amps and a decent DAC, you will get just as good sound, and with a software mixer you can get alot more cooler effects and features right now, and the benefit of future effects and features later. That isn't possible using a legacy fixed function hardware mixer.Last edited by duby229; 18 April 2008, 05:19 PM.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostWhere is the inherent benefit to having a hardware mixer? You said latency, and I said it doesn't matter. In a sound test you wont notice a difference.
With the SB Live (hardware mixing), sound effects play in sync with the visuals.
With my motherboard's onboard sound (software mixing), I notice a lot of latency. That means the sound effects play too late. I see an explosion but I don't hear it until about a half second later. It's very irritating.
Latency is even more a problem for audio professionals than for gamers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(audio)
In general, latency refers to delays that have nothing to do with quality or speed. For example, suppose shipping companies had star trek style transporter beam technology. No waiting and no damaged merchandise. But it would still take just as long to pack and otherwise prepare a product for shipment - some initial latency would be unavoidable.
To continue the analogy, you seem to think he is talking about how accurately rematerialized it would be - or you seem to think that is the only thing that should matter to anyone, when he is in fact talking about the initial delay before shipping.Last edited by StringCheesian; 19 April 2008, 04:43 AM.
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Originally posted by StringCheesian View PostMy ears detect a huge difference playing Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge in Wine on Linux between hardware and software mixing.
With the SB Live (hardware mixing), sound effects play in sync with the visuals.
With my motherboard's onboard sound (software mixing), I notice a lot of latency. That means the sound effects play too late. I see an explosion but I don't hear it until about a half second later. It's very irritating.
Latency is even more a problem for audio professionals than for gamers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(audio)
In general, latency refers to delays that have nothing to do with quality or speed. For example, suppose shipping companies had star trek style transporter beam technology. No waiting and no damaged merchandise. But it would still take just as long to pack and otherwise prepare a product for shipment - some initial latency would be unavoidable.
To continue the analogy, you seem to think he is talking about how accurately rematerialized it would be - or you seem to think that is the only thing that should matter to anyone, when he is in fact talking about the initial delay before shipping.
Take any --modern-- program, and any --modern-- processor, on it's --native-- OS and tell me that you notice the same thing.
Your talking a special case that few others would experience...
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostYour also talking about emulating a software with wine, which is soooo far from perfect that you cant say that it isnt wines fault.
Take any --modern-- program, and any --modern-- processor, on it's --native-- OS and tell me that you notice the same thing.
Your talking a special case that few others would experience...
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostShow me where having a hardware mixer would equate to a lower cost...
Originally posted by duby229 View PostAnd dont put words in my mouth. What I have said and am continuing to say is that if you purchase a sound card with decent op amps and a decent DAC you can get just as good sound as anything with a hardware mixer, and a hell of alot more flexibility and support.
Originally posted by duby229 View PostWhere is the inherent benefit to having a hardware mixer? You said latency, and I said it doesn't matter. In a sound test you wont notice a difference.
Originally posted by duby229 View PostWhere is the inherent benefit to having a software mixer? And I said that you get more flexibility and support by having an upgradeable system in place, among many other benefits to boot.
For that less then 1% of folks that can benefit from a hardware mixer there are solutions for them, but for the 99% of everyone else it just isn't needed.
Originally posted by duby229 View PostLike I said in the beginning as long as your card has decent op amps and a decent DAC, you will get just as good sound, and with a software mixer you can get alot more cooler effects and features right now, and the benefit of future effects and features later. That isn't possible using a legacy fixed function hardware mixer.Last edited by seeker010; 19 April 2008, 05:17 PM.
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