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Originally posted by Ericg View PostThe GPLv2 is just a template LightBit, you can change or modify it as much as you want as long as you specify "Hey, this isnt stock GPLv2" which both this code drop and the kernel do. Also the BSD license is an open source license, its just not a Free-Open source license-- hence the difference between OSS and FOSS.
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Originally posted by CthuIhux View PostCorrection, BSD is not even Open source, it's free to close. so it's neither OSS or FOSS. Others say it's more like public domain but I say it's proto-proprietary software and I just can't understand why the FSF and stallman classify it as free software.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by CthuIhux View PostCorrection, BSD is not even Open source, it's free to close. so it's neither OSS or FOSS. Others say it's more like public domain but I say it's proto-proprietary software and I just can't understand why the FSF and stallman classify it as free software.
Are you saying that he was wrong to advocate that Ogg Vorbis was released under a permissive BSD-like license to increase marketshare as opposed to other patent laden and closed standards like MPEG, do you think he was wrong in that regard?
Perhaps you don't understand him because he has a brain and you do not.
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Originally posted by CthuIhux View PostI'm afraid so, Ogg Vorbis should have been GPLed to remove the possibly of making proprietary extensions it. And I don't see how making it free to close would gain market share.
GPL's biggest failure is that parts of it, and the terminology in it, can be very... vague or non-specific. And when you have vague terms of use, lawyers freak. BSD doesnt have that issue. "Heres code, do whatever the hell you want with it."
*Its never been decided in court, until it is, companies will worry.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by CthuIhux View PostI'm afraid so, Ogg Vorbis should have been GPLed to remove the possibly of making proprietary extensions it. And I don't see how making it free to close would gain market share.
Its really cute and...endearing that you and a few others are GPL purists and idealists, and I'm not saying idealism is bad-- I'm an idealist in some things as well, but....welcome to the real world CthuIhux, welcome to reality. Closed source software is gonna exist, proprietary extensions are gonna exist. May as well just accept it and make the most of it. GPL software is useless if no one wants to use it.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostCompanies freak out about the GPL because of mental taint. If you work on GPL code and also work on closed code, could your entire existence be considered a "Derived work" of the GPL software because you looked at it and maybe gained an idea that you later incorporated into the closed code? If that IS a derived work, then everything you ever worked on after looking at the GPL code would have to be open sourced.*
GPL's biggest failure is that parts of it, and the terminology in it, can be very... vague or non-specific. And when you have vague terms of use, lawyers freak. BSD doesnt have that issue. "Heres code, do whatever the hell you want with it."
*Its never been decided in court, until it is, companies will worry.
EDIT: I think it is very clear that you can't copyright a concept of something. You can only copyright the implementation of something.Last edited by duby229; 12 March 2013, 08:24 PM.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostThat isnt my understanding at all... You can't copyright ideas, you can only copyright implementations. You could write something, then I could write something else that does exactly the same thing in a different way, and they could both be under a different copyright as long as none of your code is used in my implementation.
EDIT: I think it is very clear that you can't copyright a concept of something. You can only copyright the implementation of something.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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