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  • droidhacker
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Sources please No, rly, sources would be nice
    Sources? My own eyes.

    You forget cancer
    You are thinking of some VERY old fashioned kinds of toner.

    and you forget printing costs for single household.
    Unless your single household prints so few pages that the $25 inkjunk never even eats up the cartridge it came with (i.e. about 25 pages or less within the lifetime of the printer), then laser costs FAR FAR less to operate for ANYONE.

    When using inkjet there is great amount of alternative ink.
    Huh? There are tons of toner manufacturers, all of which make every kind of toner for compatibility with every kind of printer.

    Also, I have used laser from HP Laserjet 4L and I must say the printing quality for text work is same,
    Wow, your 20 year old 300 DPI laserjet 4L prints in equal quality to a brand new inkjunk? You know that you are really making my case for me...

    unless you're some abc-lover with 2000x magnification glass enjoying the sexy font lines hehe.
    I suggest you get your eyes examined. If you can't see the difference, then there is definitely something wrong with your vision.

    Yer, its same, its good. Definately much much better than dot-matrix(although low print costs are unmatched with dot-matrix).
    Nobody's talking about dot matrix except you, but you bring up an interesting point, because inkjunk is actually very similar to dot matrix and shares some of the same flaws... the alignment problem I mentioned... dot matrix had those too. The basic operation is similar, except that rather than stabbing the ink from the ribbon onto the paper, the inkjunk SPRAYS it.

    For graphics you will use laser/ink paper anyway,
    No, for graphics with a laser printer, you'll use regular copy paper that costs next to nothing.

    so the costs are same, the ink quality is better! Unless you print money lol.
    No, the LASER quality is INFINITELY better.

    Or something requiring fine strict lines rather than oil paint style.
    There is no similarity AT ALL between oil painting and inkjunk printing. There is no way possible for an inkjunk to reproduce the layers and texture of an oil painting -- it CAN'T be done. For that, you would have to look towards 3d printers, but for that (one that can do what you're claiming), you're looking at tens or hundreds of thousands of $$. For a 2d print of an oil painting, you're still looking at laser being FAR FAR more effective.

    Yer, of course 200kg color laser box is best! But look at the price! And running costs! And cancer thing.
    200 kg? What are you printing? Posters? This is a different beast and not applicable here.

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  • crazycheese
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    Sources please No, rly, sources would be nice

    You forget cancer and you forget printing costs for single household.
    When using inkjet there is great amount of alternative ink.
    Also, I have used laser from HP Laserjet 4L and I must say the printing quality for text work is same, unless you're some abc-lover with 2000x magnification glass enjoying the sexy font lines hehe.

    Yer, its same, its good. Definately much much better than dot-matrix(although low print costs are unmatched with dot-matrix).

    For graphics you will use laser/ink paper anyway, so the costs are same, the ink quality is better! Unless you print money lol. Or something requiring fine strict lines rather than oil paint style.

    Yer, of course 200kg color laser box is best! But look at the price! And running costs! And cancer thing.

    Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
    No... you have things very wrong.
    The ONLY advantage to inkjunk is that you could potentially run extremely long paper through them.

    Print quality of inkjunk is GARBAGE unless you spend $5 per page on paper. Laser printers print the same regardless of what kind of paper you put in them.

    Noise is practically non-existent on a laser -- you hear, at most, the sound of the rollers turning. None of that head shaking nonsense.

    Alignment.... laser printers line everything up perfectly. Inkjunk has a head that moves back and forth across the paper and each stroke is always slightly out of alignment from the last stroke unless you overlap strokes, in which case you get BLUR.

    Separating the ink from the head does NOT reduce costs -- they (the manufacturer) profits more that way because it costs THEM LESS, but they get to charge you the same.

    And laser printers are just as refillable as inkjunk.



    Don't know if there's any truth to it, but I read somewhere that HP printers are actually all made by cannon now.

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  • droidhacker
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    No... you have things very wrong.
    The ONLY advantage to inkjunk is that you could potentially run extremely long paper through them.

    Print quality of inkjunk is GARBAGE unless you spend $5 per page on paper. Laser printers print the same regardless of what kind of paper you put in them.

    Noise is practically non-existent on a laser -- you hear, at most, the sound of the rollers turning. None of that head shaking nonsense.

    Alignment.... laser printers line everything up perfectly. Inkjunk has a head that moves back and forth across the paper and each stroke is always slightly out of alignment from the last stroke unless you overlap strokes, in which case you get BLUR.

    Separating the ink from the head does NOT reduce costs -- they (the manufacturer) profits more that way because it costs THEM LESS, but they get to charge you the same.

    And laser printers are just as refillable as inkjunk.

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    This is total nonsense. Both systems have advantages.

    HP - opensource gods, drivers with exceptional support, HIGH ink costs if using normal catridges, LOW to MODERATE ink cost if using XL catridges or refilling the ink, ink catridges mostly have integrated heads(1), EXCEPTIONAL quality image drawing even on normal quality paper, GOOD text printing, FAST printing speed. Good printers if you dont buy lowest market segment ones(or read reviews before) - they consume more and known for bugs with paper feeder.

    Canon - binary drivers. By far not all models supported. I personally had to "fight" three(3) days over Cannon 2900 Laser printer. This is not a driver quality I expect. Low to medium ink costs, very comparable to HP XL catridges. EXCEPTIONAL quality image printing, however some report ink to be of low resistance against UV and rupture. Refillable. Units are a bit better priced than HP.

    Hope it helps someone.
    Don't know if there's any truth to it, but I read somewhere that HP printers are actually all made by cannon now.

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  • droidhacker
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I just want to bump this to say that this didn't help anyone and not me, the OP.

    I want to object to HP as the 'opensource' Gods. I'm really sick and tired of Linux users praising so-called opensource companies as they're above everyone. ATI, HP, are crap companies with inferior support and subpar products. HP, especially, is garbage. Their product quality has gone into the toilet. I really don't give a damn about open source if the product is a piece of garbage. If the product is not usable, then it can be fully open source, it doesn't matter. This is common sense but praising an inferior product with poor support is not praiseworthy.

    I will be boycotting these companies from now on.
    You can have the best hardware in the world, but without the ability to actually USE IT, it is entirely WORTHLESS. I would MUCH rather have junk hardware with working drivers than the world's best hardware with no possibility of ever using it.

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  • Beiruty
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    I finally was able get gutenprint works in Gimp. I have a HP Office Jet pro L7680 and now I can print photos directly from Gimp. On the other hand, the cute Photoprint does not support my printer yet.

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  • DanL
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    I bought a cheap HP Deskjet D1600, plugged it in, installed hplip, and it "just worked" on Kubuntu 10.10 (I haven't tried it on my main Debian system because I don't want to install a bunch of printing crap on it when I rarely print stuff).

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    What hp hardware are you refering btw?
    Forget this, topic is so old, I forgot you were the topic starter.
    Now.
    Lets see how its better to go shopping in modern world.

    Study here: http://www.amazon.com/HP-PhotoSmart-...8714544&sr=8-1

    And here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

    You will read about possible paper jam, that is clear the engineering problem. I wont buy it.

    If you printer fails to align, there is something really really bad happend to head positioning mechanism. Mine aligned instantly and I have already done it several times.

    The thing with HP printers where they require time to start up, which is often criticized, is because of the way they handle the necessary head cleaning. They park it every time they go off and they clean it every time on start. It takes time(15-20 secs). They produce sounds, yes. But then it is set to print. Others dont do it, they just park/unpark heads without cleaning. Then they start running 20 minutes cleaning cycle every week. And if they miss it, there is high probability ink dries up in the head. I prefer the HP way.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I just want to bump this to say that this didn't help anyone and not me, the OP.

    I want to object to HP as the 'opensource' Gods. I'm really sick and tired of Linux users praising so-called opensource companies as they're above everyone. ATI, HP, are crap companies with inferior support and subpar products. HP, especially, is garbage. Their product quality has gone into the toilet. I really don't give a damn about open source if the product is a piece of garbage. If the product is not usable, then it can be fully open source, it doesn't matter. This is common sense but praising an inferior product with poor support is not praiseworthy.

    I will be boycotting these companies from now on.
    What hp hardware are you refering btw?

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I just want to bump this to say that this didn't help anyone and not me, the OP.

    I want to object to HP as the 'opensource' Gods. I'm really sick and tired of Linux users praising so-called opensource companies as they're above everyone. ATI, HP, are crap companies with inferior support and subpar products. HP, especially, is garbage. Their product quality has gone into the toilet. I really don't give a damn about open source if the product is a piece of garbage. If the product is not usable, then it can be fully open source, it doesn't matter. This is common sense but praising an inferior product with poor support is not praiseworthy.

    I will be boycotting these companies from now on.
    I have two B209A from HP. Im using 3.9 hplip, cups and sane.
    Everything WORKS. Scanning is good and fast. I can set all options in Xsane. Printing works awesomely - papertrays, quality, paper sort - all works. ZERO problems. I have no idea what you are talking about, bro. The install was quick and easy on gentoo.

    I have scanned A4 pages with 1200dpi and successfully printed them (2Gb ram usage in gimp btw). Quick and painless.

    Two years ago I had overnight fight with Canon LBP2900(I think), bw laserjet. I have given up. I had to write udev rules to bring up proprietary ps2proprietary blob converter, that consumed all cpu resources even on simple text pages.

    If you wish I can send you proof photos.

    Yeah, I respect HP. AMD, yes, maybe they suck in two points:
    - slow progress
    - little force behind their opensource attempt

    But I still hate nvidia. Most of the time it works, but when it breaks no one is to help you. And they deviate Xorg, make it their way, drop support whenever they want it(I have 10 gf4 cards lying around, as well as first ever radeon(R100)).

    So I respect AMD and HP way more than nvidia or canon.

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  • Panix
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    I just want to bump this to say that this didn't help anyone and not me, the OP.

    I want to object to HP as the 'opensource' Gods. I'm really sick and tired of Linux users praising so-called opensource companies as they're above everyone. ATI, HP, are crap companies with inferior support and subpar products. HP, especially, is garbage. Their product quality has gone into the toilet. I really don't give a damn about open source if the product is a piece of garbage. If the product is not usable, then it can be fully open source, it doesn't matter. This is common sense but praising an inferior product with poor support is not praiseworthy.

    I will be boycotting these companies from now on.

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