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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    I have a feeling Im fighting a windmills here...
    So, your response is to post to the forum my comments?

    Okay, maybe the Russian water is a problem for you or something.

    HP PRINTERS ARE GARBAGE. Deal with it.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I don't need a laser printer. I already have one.

    But, you guys should start a comedy team. It's really getting amusing.

    I borrowed a HP Deskjet F4480 and I had to set it up using CUPS instead of the foomatic GUI which is totally useless and buggy. It crashed and would not detect the printer at all. There's pathetic operation #1.

    #2, it will not scan. There's no FAQ for this with HP/HPLIP/Linux since HP is another Windoze company. Whoah, where is this great opensource support I heard all about?

    Basically, any company just has to have the word, 'opensource' beside it on their web page or someplace and then the Linux-based opensource nuts come out of the woodworks with their clubs and flags in hand. Pathetic.

    Not a care about if the product works or if the support works properly or if it's even substantially supported via opensource. What a joke.
    I have a feeling Im fighting a windmills here...





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  • Panix
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    I don't need a laser printer. I already have one.

    But, you guys should start a comedy team. It's really getting amusing.

    I borrowed a HP Deskjet F4480 and I had to set it up using CUPS instead of the foomatic GUI which is totally useless and buggy. It crashed and would not detect the printer at all. There's pathetic operation #1.

    #2, it will not scan. There's no FAQ for this with HP/HPLIP/Linux since HP is another Windoze company. Whoah, where is this great opensource support I heard all about?

    Basically, any company just has to have the word, 'opensource' beside it on their web page or someplace and then the Linux-based opensource nuts come out of the woodworks with their clubs and flags in hand. Pathetic.

    Not a care about if the product works or if the support works properly or if it's even substantially supported via opensource. What a joke.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    I have a clp 315 and I am not the only one.

    One toner casette goes for 1000 pages of paper.
    Printing pictues is not worse than with an inkjet on standard paper.
    Paper jams? Never heard of. Oh yes - where I work the HP laserjet sometimes jams if you print more than 100 pages in a row. For some reason the inkjets like to just stop working after a load like 5-10 in a row. Hmm.
    Not half as loud as a standard inkjet
    and 'high energy consumption' is relative.... how much energy is consumed producing all that shitty inkjets rotting somewhere because the ink dried in and it was cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the cardridges?
    I believe you, you are not the only one


    1000 pages is claimed. Real result would be nice.
    You never print pictures with inkjet on standart paper. If you do, I think laser will be far better, because it distributes the toner much more precisely. But its is not photo, if you want photo quality, laser cannot match. Fujifilm uses special printers, I have no idea how they work, but they work with reagents and chemicals resulting in inkjet quality result on cheap glossy paper.
    I have already printed 300 page documentation with b209a, had no jam yet, not joking. Maybe it is blessed or something

    The last sentence is hard for me to understand. The head never dries out - its cleaned and parked. Unless manually removed and exposed to fresh air for more than 20 minutes. Then there is a solution to easily dissolve the ink. The ink itself of course has best-before, but colors and printing head are separated. There are very good XL empty clone cartridges available, cost 10$ for 10 pack, refillable, without ID chip(you need to place it there from any original cartridge, from trial works well too; marks printer that ink is here). Overall worst situation is way cleaner than with toner. Original XL ink, full pack is 50$, claimed 800 pages(one of best ink available), you dont need original ink or cartridge though if daily quality. I have no idea how much the main head costs, I suggest no more than 30$. Then, there is CISS of course. The MFC itself costs officially 140$, got it for 99$ brand new.

    Are linux PS drivers for 315 available? Opensource? Binary? Just interested. I heard samsung decided to cut its linux printing support recently(3 or 4 months ago).

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    how much energy is consumed producing all that shitty inkjets rotting somewhere because the ink dried in and it was cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the cardridges?
    Just a simple note, print a test page every couple of weeks on an inkjet and they will last a long time. I still have an Epson Stylus Color 500 and a Epson 900 going strong. Page feed issues are usually because of hardening of the pickup rollers or wear and in the case of hardening some simple rubber rejuvenater does the trick. Roller issues are not limited to inkjets and lasers are just as susceptible. An ounce of prevention goes a long way in keeping printers going for a long time.

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    if you print on standard paper the picture is better than with an inkjet. Only on special paper inkjets are better. Which makes them even more expensive.

    If you don't print on special photo-paper a laser will be just fine.
    I'm not saying they are not more expensive. If you want to do colour flyers and such then by all means use a laser however they are no substitute for an inkjet when using it for photo reproduction. Yes the costs are higher but you get what you pay for in the end product.

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  • energyman
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Look here:
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Color-...owViewpoints=1

    And here:
    http://www.topprodukte.at/index.php?..._how_many_ds=8

    - high energy consumption
    - paper jams (lol)
    - bad bw print
    - lower gfx Q print than ink
    - still requires special paper for best color printing
    - 45$ per cartridge - 150$ full set
    - each cartridge set seem to print yet only ~250 pages
    no scanner, no wireless, refillable(?)

    Do you know the state of linux driver?
    I have a clp 315 and I am not the only one.

    One toner casette goes for 1000 pages of paper.
    Printing pictues is not worse than with an inkjet on standard paper.
    Paper jams? Never heard of. Oh yes - where I work the HP laserjet sometimes jams if you print more than 100 pages in a row. For some reason the inkjets like to just stop working after a load like 5-10 in a row. Hmm.
    Not half as loud as a standard inkjet
    and 'high energy consumption' is relative.... how much energy is consumed producing all that shitty inkjets rotting somewhere because the ink dried in and it was cheaper to buy a new printer than to replace the cardridges?

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  • energyman
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Lasers still have a hard time creating "picture like" photos especially on the consumer level. Consumer inkjets do tend to have a more "natural" photo look then consumer level colour lasers. With the price of both being cheap nowdays, if your looking to do photo print outs and plain jane everyday printing you could actually have both for what the price was of one consumer level inkjet or laser printer was just a couple of years ago.
    if you print on standard paper the picture is better than with an inkjet. Only on special paper inkjets are better. Which makes them even more expensive.

    If you don't print on special photo-paper a laser will be just fine.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    get a Samsung CLP 315 or 320.

    Yes, it is a laser printer.

    Colour laser printer.

    You can not print cds.

    But fuck, toner is cheap compared to ink. And dried in ink is not a problem anymore. And the speed. And the dry paper. And the resistance against aging. Seriously... laser is the way to go.
    Look here:
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Color-...owViewpoints=1

    And here:
    http://www.topprodukte.at/index.php?..._how_many_ds=8

    - high energy consumption
    - paper jams (lol)
    - bad bw print
    - lower gfx Q print than ink
    - still requires special paper for best color printing
    - 45$ per cartridge - 150$ full set
    - each cartridge set seem to print yet only ~250 pages
    no scanner, no wireless, refillable(?)

    Do you know the state of linux driver?

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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    get a Samsung CLP 315 or 320.

    Yes, it is a laser printer.

    Colour laser printer.

    You can not print cds.

    But fuck, toner is cheap compared to ink. And dried in ink is not a problem anymore. And the speed. And the dry paper. And the resistance against aging. Seriously... laser is the way to go.
    Lasers still have a hard time creating "picture like" photos especially on the consumer level. Consumer inkjets do tend to have a more "natural" photo look then consumer level colour lasers. With the price of both being cheap nowdays, if your looking to do photo print outs and plain jane everyday printing you could actually have both for what the price was of one consumer level inkjet or laser printer was just a couple of years ago.

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