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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
    HP Photosmart 4780 all-in-one, it's all working fine with either USB or Wifi connection.

    I wouldn't recommend Canon, their drivers are often binary-only, or 32-bit only, or just for old Fedora Core without any update for more recent distros.
    Thats correct, but wait till your inkjet head gets dried out :P

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  • AlbertP
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    HP Photosmart 4780 all-in-one, it's all working fine with either USB or Wifi connection.

    I wouldn't recommend Canon, their drivers are often binary-only, or 32-bit only, or just for old Fedora Core without any update for more recent distros.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I ended up not buying anything.

    Good idea to buy a color laser, though, imho. My next printer will probably be a color laser. I really would like a scanner so that was part of the reason I was looking for an inkjet (multifunction).

    I suggest looking for a Samsung, Brother or Lexmark (maybe even in that order?). A common model in those brands might offer the best chance at finding cheap ink/toner and I'd look for an online vendor who will ship to your area (as cheap as possible). Most of those have some Linux support but probably enough to run in native Linux.

    When I get around to it, I want to get one and a genuine scanner (only scans) which I'll use in Windows or VirtualBox (don't see why it wouldn't work in that setting). The Samsung CLP-325 is around $100 but if you need better models, most in those brands are probably $200+.
    Hey, thanks for reply!
    Yeah, the problem with multifunction, is, as once nice site says: you get a little bit of everything and a little bit cut from everything in terms of quality.
    With Lexmark I have biggest fears - their inkjets and their lasers all maintain similar policy - high maintaince costs. Check color laser 54x series, the color transfer module costs around 250$, 2/3 of printer!

    When you buy laser, you almost certainly need toner - many used printers are sold without those. Toners can cost from 70$ to 200$ per one color - and they have different range - from 1000 to 8000. So thats one major point.
    Difference can be huge here. For example HP printers and konika printers toners cost around same, but HP has 1500 pages, and konika 4000pages @ 5% coverage.

    Then, you need fixer, which burns away as you print (70$-200$) and excessive toner collector(20$-50$).

    Then, depending on model - you have either one drum, that covers all colors (for printers that print color in several passthroughs - they have very very long color print time compared to sw); or individual drum for each color.
    Those cost you again 50$-240$.

    There are color laser printers that cost litterally 20$, because they have all above mentioned internals removed. Ahaha, talking about "cheap", laser printer is by far not cheap. Inkjet is much cheaper when using alternative good ink, but its messy, and I already had printhead gone dry. 40$ cost by HP. Not bad,.. but I don?t really want to mess with inky ink again. By all that very good photo quality, I have decided that it just aint worth it - it is similar to dot-matrix, they are cheap, but they have design flaws.

    By the way, OKI printers are the only one that seem to ignore the "secret government stenographic yellow dot tracking pact". This is crazy, I mean, if they don?t want us to print money, introduce algorithms in firmware, why mess our prints? :/

    Sublimations are ultimate for photo printing, laser has photo possible as well (on special laser photo paper), but sublimation are best. They cost too though.

    Btw, yesterday I missed one fine piece @ 80% toner volumes for 70$. Dang.

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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Hey Panix! What did you end up buying?
    Because right now I have b209a sitting in front of me, that started to make traces. I have soaked the Q-tip as HP recommends in alcohol and cleaned the head - nothing. Then I have soaked it in hot distilled water, as HP recommends too, and after that all RGB colors stopped to print correctly, they print as if it is ink shortage; yet when printing via printers menu, it does not appear. I soaked again and now black color is not working - at all. After 2 days eaten by this printer (on xmas!) Im done. Lots of dirty paper, dirty working - even when normally printing there are excessive amounts of ink on head - and cleaning process is actually crap - the ink is thrown inside a container residing in printer itself. This guy is way too messy and too stupid to use.
    Im looking for color laser, which is both cheap in buying and cheap in refilling(original or not) and supports linux. Konica Minolta 2550 sounds fine, right now. I dont have 1000$ to invest in Ricoh, neither I will print 24k pages in year.
    After some time, I think I will invest in sublimation printer specially for photos.
    I ended up not buying anything.

    Good idea to buy a color laser, though, imho. My next printer will probably be a color laser. I really would like a scanner so that was part of the reason I was looking for an inkjet (multifunction).

    I suggest looking for a Samsung, Brother or Lexmark (maybe even in that order?). A common model in those brands might offer the best chance at finding cheap ink/toner and I'd look for an online vendor who will ship to your area (as cheap as possible). Most of those have some Linux support but probably enough to run in native Linux.

    When I get around to it, I want to get one and a genuine scanner (only scans) which I'll use in Windows or VirtualBox (don't see why it wouldn't work in that setting). The Samsung CLP-325 is around $100 but if you need better models, most in those brands are probably $200+.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    ....
    Hey Panix! What did you end up buying?
    Because right now I have b209a sitting in front of me, that started to make traces. I have soaked the Q-tip as HP recommends in alcohol and cleaned the head - nothing. Then I have soaked it in hot distilled water, as HP recommends too, and after that all RGB colors stopped to print correctly, they print as if it is ink shortage; yet when printing via printers menu, it does not appear. I soaked again and now black color is not working - at all. After 2 days eaten by this printer (on xmas!) Im done. Lots of dirty paper, dirty working - even when normally printing there are excessive amounts of ink on head - and cleaning process is actually crap - the ink is thrown inside a container residing in printer itself. This guy is way too messy and too stupid to use.
    Im looking for color laser, which is both cheap in buying and cheap in refilling(original or not) and supports linux. Konica Minolta 2550 sounds fine, right now. I dont have 1000$ to invest in Ricoh, neither I will print 24k pages in year.
    After some time, I think I will invest in sublimation printer specially for photos.
    Last edited by crazycheese; 26 December 2011, 03:03 PM.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    BEEEP wrong. Seperate print head printers like canon or epson are even MORE screwed. A fucking printhead is fucking expensive.
    Mine's 24?. At least seems so.

    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    no, it makes a lot of sense if two sets of ink and a new head are more expensive than a new printer.
    I understand. And if using alternative? Are you using original samsung toner now? Just curious.

    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    many month to years?
    No, several months, very impossible any more. The cartridges themselves have a one-way opening at the top, so when the head sucks ink in, air comes from the top to maintain the pressure. I think its impossible to prevent it drying up in long term.
    Btw you didnt answer the expiry date question :P I did a search, seems laser toner expires as well, mostly due to getting moisturized from air, but seems to hold more than ink.

    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    just compare the options and easiness of printing in windows and linux. Seriously, do it. With every inkjet I had I had the same problem: too much ink. Got only better when I BOUGHT turboprint drivers (which also bring some nice features to linux). The easy way to change options. The fact that the preview and the results are almost identical. The fact that there ARE options. cups is a complete clusterfuck compared to windows printing. It can't even get horizontal right, when it isn't in the right mood. And I am not willing to spend all my virgins on cups. Need some for gcc.
    I can't answer this, because I have sufficient amount of options. Some more exotic in HP utility(orientation, color control etc). Cups works(somehow). Which are the printers you had to buy turboprint for?

    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    if you mean 'on copy paper' the quality is as good as an inkjet. If you need a better quality, a pro should do it anyway.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html
    Yes, I mean using a4 or 10x15 glossy high-dense "photo" paper for photo printing.

    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    a friend of mine has the same printer. He got more than 1000 pages out of it. That was one of the reasons why I bought the clp 315 in the first place. The only problem he has - if you print a lot of pages in one session there is a tendency to overheat.
    Thanks for info! The thing is I see a lot of reviews claiming 315 empties the toner much faster than expected(or claimed).

    Also, it seems that laser are able to do 1200x600 dpi only, where 600 stays always. Im looking for laser able to do 1200x1200 at least with good color transfer, not lexmark. The samsung color laser MFC is around 220$ which is nice.

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  • energyman
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Hm, highest possible damage with dried inks is possible if your using printhead-in-cartridge printer(mine is separated).
    BEEEP wrong. Seperate print head printers like canon or epson are even MORE screwed. A fucking printhead is fucking expensive.

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Even then, your problem narrows to the cartridge. There is a special solution to clean the head on the market
    yeah and it is called isopropanol 99%.

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    other than alcohol, maybe it would help. Throwin printer away is kinda unlogical(unless overpriced low-segment garbage of course).
    no, it makes a lot of sense if two sets of ink and a new head are more expensive than a new printer.

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    B209 does not mind waiting for month btw. Does laser printer toner have "best before" and, if yes, whats the range?
    many month to years?

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    "print in windows" is invalid. Samsung better in windows than in linux?
    .
    just compare the options and easiness of printing in windows and linux. Seriously, do it. With every inkjet I had I had the same problem: too much ink. Got only better when I BOUGHT turboprint drivers (which also bring some nice features to linux). The easy way to change options. The fact that the preview and the results are almost identical. The fact that there ARE options. cups is a complete clusterfuck compared to windows printing. It can't even get horizontal right, when it isn't in the right mood. And I am not willing to spend all my virgins on cups. Need some for gcc.

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    pro printing in most cases is definitely better and normally cheaper. But not if you want it here and now.

    "Photo-quality" is NOT for laser printers, at least not under 1000$ segment range.
    if you mean 'on copy paper' the quality is as good as an inkjet. If you need a better quality, a pro should do it anyway.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html

    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    Also, it whats about claimed 1000 pages to real-life results? Have you tested it by yourself, what results?

    Looking forward for your response, energyman.
    a friend of mine has the same printer. He got more than 1000 pages out of it. That was one of the reasons why I bought the clp 315 in the first place. The only problem he has - if you print a lot of pages in one session there is a tendency to overheat.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    A little bit.

    Please accept my apologies.

    примите мои извинения!

    I was out of line and apologize for my tone. I wish HP was good and that I thought differently since there is some open source support but geez, nothing would work for me.

    As you probably surmised, I was just extremely frustrated. Also, it cost me mostly time but if you count the first printer I had, I bought that one. I got it strictly on the assumption it would be a good Linux-friendly/compatible printer. But, even in Windows, I had major trouble with all the HP printers I tried.

    I guess HP printers don't like me!

    I know I'm not the most gifted, technically speaking, with computers, but I thought I should be able to use a freakin' printer!

    I read about Samsung 'halting' Linux support. It sounds like the most recent process is acquiring root privileges or something. Not sure how accurate a statement or description that is, but, the usage probably isn't going to be as ideal as the open source situation for HP.

    I thought I read about Lexmark being more Linux frinedly. I thought I read that here, too? I figure a 'scanner only' device would be less problematic but the newest ones don't seem to have drivers or SANE support (via SANE project info and lack of Linux-oriented info). Canon seems to be the most available out of new scanners. I guess shopping for a used one might uncover something supported but there's no money back guarantee with that route.
    No problem, Im very sorry too. No fight here just frustration(everywhere).

    Lexmark is binary with bad support. My girls family had lexmark inkjet (I can lookup for correct model name, if you want, it still lies in the corner of their room) which had incredibly high ink usage, very high ink cost, head and cartridge combined, and eventually it dried up and no one wanted to resurrect it.

    I would personally go laser if I had more bucks, more table space(need scanner) and would print less photos. Didn't know color lasers of OK quality are already available under 200$.

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  • crazycheese
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    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    I have lost three inkjet printers thanks to dried ink. And not even a 24h bath in isopropanol ever get me acceptable results after that.

    I laser printer is much cheaper on the long run and does not mind waiting for weeks for the next print job.

    And if you really need the best possible photo like quality you:

    print in windows
    and/or
    let some pro's do the printing
    Hm, highest possible damage with dried inks is possible if your using printhead-in-cartridge printer(mine is separated). Even then, your problem narrows to the cartridge. There is a special solution to clean the head on the market other than alcohol, maybe it would help. Throwin printer away is kinda unlogical(unless overpriced low-segment garbage of course).

    B209 does not mind waiting for month btw. Does laser printer toner have "best before" and, if yes, whats the range?

    "print in windows" is invalid. Samsung better in windows than in linux?

    pro printing in most cases is definitely better and normally cheaper. But not if you want it here and now.

    "Photo-quality" is NOT for laser printers, at least not under 1000$ segment range.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html

    Also, it whats about claimed 1000 pages to real-life results? Have you tested it by yourself, what results?

    Looking forward for your response, energyman.

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  • energyman
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    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    I believe you, you are not the only one


    1000 pages is claimed. Real result would be nice.
    You never print pictures with inkjet on standart paper. If you do, I think laser will be far better, because it distributes the toner much more precisely. But its is not photo, if you want photo quality, laser cannot match. Fujifilm uses special printers, I have no idea how they work, but they work with reagents and chemicals resulting in inkjet quality result on cheap glossy paper.
    I have already printed 300 page documentation with b209a, had no jam yet, not joking. Maybe it is blessed or something

    The last sentence is hard for me to understand. The head never dries out - its cleaned and parked. Unless manually removed and exposed to fresh air for more than 20 minutes. Then there is a solution to easily dissolve the ink. The ink itself of course has best-before, but colors and printing head are separated. There are very good XL empty clone cartridges available, cost 10$ for 10 pack, refillable, without ID chip(you need to place it there from any original cartridge, from trial works well too; marks printer that ink is here). Overall worst situation is way cleaner than with toner. Original XL ink, full pack is 50$, claimed 800 pages(one of best ink available), you dont need original ink or cartridge though if daily quality. I have no idea how much the main head costs, I suggest no more than 30$. Then, there is CISS of course. The MFC itself costs officially 140$, got it for 99$ brand new.

    Are linux PS drivers for 315 available? Opensource? Binary? Just interested. I heard samsung decided to cut its linux printing support recently(3 or 4 months ago).
    I have lost three inkjet printers thanks to dried ink. And not even a 24h bath in isopropanol ever get me acceptable results after that.

    I laser printer is much cheaper on the long run and does not mind waiting for weeks for the next print job.

    And if you really need the best possible photo like quality you:

    print in windows
    and/or
    let some pro's do the printing

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