Linux 6.13 Staging Clears Out 107k Lines Of Code From Old & Unmaintained Drivers

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  • skeevy420
    Senior Member
    • May 2017
    • 8627

    #31
    Originally posted by avis View Post

    What has it won? Servers? No one cares, no one sees them, they are basically network IO devices. You surely don't run Firefox or Chromium on them, do you?

    What else? Is there anything else? Wait, nothing??

    Android? A single fucking component being the Linux kernel and its 1) fixed version 2) version that offers stable API/ABI unlike the mainline kernel 3) replaceable (Google has done it for its Nest devices).

    So, not Android.

    Yeah, Linux has totally "won". Except where it matters, on the desktop, 99.99% of people don't even know it exists.

    Linux fanatics continue to prove they have zero logic, reasoning or intelligence.
    Linux is used to power Android, Roku, AmazonTV, Steam Deck, Chromebooks, more audio players and car infotainment systems to list, routers, smart appliances, and so much more. Most all of those things have graphical interfaces.

    Fact is, the traditional desktop is a dying form factor with how many different quality ways we have to access our content and control our widgets. My Black Friday special of an AndroidTV from 2020 or 2021 is good enough to run up to PS1 games on emulators. My Phone is even more powerful, can output to display devices over USB-C, and can have input devices connected to it. If you don't care about graphics that much, you're good to go with a decent phone.

    My point is that there are a lot of different devices and ways to cover our needs without having to use a desktop like we traditionally would back in the day. It isn't the 90s or 00s where we didn't have the choice that we do now. Most all that choice is either powered by Linux or has a FOSS Userspace. People don't have to buy the All-In-One desktop for their specific tasks. They can buy a Steam Deck or Motorola RAZR instead and quit using their Windows desktop. One person replacing One Windows Desktop with Two Linux Widgets.

    The Year of the Linux Desktop is a dead metric.

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    • Espionage724
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2024
      • 344

      #32
      I installed FreeBSD 14.2 earlier on my laptop, and a few hours ago even got my webserver going with it! Did anyone else hear the news about nginx and open-source? I didn't until today, but stumbled on freenginx which FreeBSD had conveniently as a pkg!

      I've done Windows 95-11, Linux primarily after Windows 10 released, and now am having fun with FreeBSD. There's no fun being locked-into an OS, and people wishing for "Year of the Desktop" are locking themselves into that, along with having to somehow stomach and defend questionable decisions.

      If I'm serious about PC gaming, Windows no question. I'm on Intel UHD 630 currently so it doesn't really matter, but PCVR is an instant W10 install Ya'll on Linux love abstraction too much and apparently I know low-latency enough to know Wayland was intolerable for 8+ years with a basic mouse you can find in any Walmart on a shelf.

      General use: Any OS works; Firefox is Win/nix/BSD, so is LibreOffice; basically all my core general apps work any OS worth entertaining.

      If I wanted fun, I'd roll FreeBSD host with Windows with a passthrough GPU And if FreeBSD ever gets boring, Windows is still the OS I can use for everything.

      As for devices; I got a phone joystick clamp that has side-joys like Switch, I put my OnePlus 6 into it, fired up Quake 3, and it felt like the same experience I got from a real Switch; that's awesome and I know my phone can do more than a Switch

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      • Weasel
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2017
        • 4498

        #33
        Originally posted by DanL View Post
        That's far more about manufacturer support than stable/unstable API.
        Ever thought the manufacturer doesn't want to maintain their driver for more than one kernel? On Windows they write it once and it works.

        Your iq really shows.

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        • Weasel
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 4498

          #34
          Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
          Linux is used to power Android
          You mean the device which is stuck with the same OS that you can't update, unlike even crap like Apple's iOS? Clearly not a coincidence eh?

          Yeah, perfect example of how you piss against the wind.

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          • DanL
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 3122

            #35
            Originally posted by Weasel View Post
            On Windows they write it once and it works.
            Because there's only one version of Windows? Because every version of Windows uses the same driver model?
            No. Bullshit.

            I have an M-Audio Revolution PCI sound card from 20 years ago. It still works fine on Linux. It stopped working on Windows 7 because VIA sucks.

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            • smitty3268
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 6954

              #36
              Originally posted by avis View Post

              No, that cannot be further from the truth.

              The Linux kernel has no stable internal API/ABI and sooner rather than later these out of tree drivers will fail to compile.

              Users of NVIDIA, ZFS, VirtualBox, some Realtek USB WiFi adapters will attest to this.
              Part of "reverted/merged back" obviously implies resolving any merge conflicts. I can't believe you don't know this, so I guess you're just trying to start arguments again.

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              • User29
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2023
                • 248

                #37
                Originally posted by avis View Post

                What has it won? Servers? No one cares, no one sees them, they are basically network IO devices. You surely don't run Firefox or Chromium on them, do you?
                asking you again: wtf are you doing here? you hate linux , you hate FOSS, you hate everything related. but keep coming back and wasting resources. why?

                to answer your question: nowadays nothing would work as it is working now without linux. that what it won.

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                • avis
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2022
                  • 2246

                  #38
                  Originally posted by User29 View Post

                  asking you again: wtf are you doing here? you hate linux , you hate FOSS, you hate everything related. but keep coming back and wasting resources. why?

                  to answer your question: nowadays nothing would work as it is working now without linux. that what it won.
                  First check this link because I'm fucking tired of repeating myself: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...34#post1504934

                  Secondly, I've done more for Linux than you and 95% of Phoronix freeloaders combined, so could you please back off?

                  Lastly, you've answered crap of your own making. You don't use server Linux on the desktop. It's absolutely irrelevant. This is a website for people who use Linux on their PCs and laptops. Michael almost never posts news stories about the server stack, including things like nginx, apache, postgresql, mariadb, mongodb, redit, ruby (on rails), NPM, Next.JS, etc. etc. etc. In other words no one even on this website is interested in computing black boxes sending data over wires. Those boxes have no human interfaces either, including keyboard, mouse, display or decent GPU, etc.

                  Sometimes you really could leave your parents' basement and realize there are 2 billion happy Windows users and 40 million sad Linux geeks who are valiantly fighting with its bugs on a daily basis.
                  Last edited by avis; 01 December 2024, 10:55 AM.

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                  • Weasel
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 4498

                    #39
                    Originally posted by DanL View Post
                    Because there's only one version of Windows? Because every version of Windows uses the same driver model?
                    No. Bullshit.

                    I have an M-Audio Revolution PCI sound card from 20 years ago. It still works fine on Linux. It stopped working on Windows 7 because VIA sucks.
                    I don't give a shit about the hardware I'm talking about the driver. Your card uses standard interfaces but the driver it uses has been updated for every single kernel version. Not by the manufacturer though.

                    You're not the center of the world and many hardware pieces use non-standard ways (or standard doesn't even exist). That's exactly why Linux has poor 3rd party manufacturer support.

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                    • DanL
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3122

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                      I don't give a shit about the hardware I'm talking about the driver.
                      WTH do you think I was talking about in my example?

                      Your card uses standard interfaces but the driver it uses has been updated for every single kernel version. Not by the manufacturer though.
                      Some kernel versions don't require any updates at all. The driver I used has had about 10 commits in the last 5 years, and most of those aren't updates for newer kernels. You and avis make it sound like every driver needs to be completely rewritten for every kernel release. Nice try though..

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