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  • #11
    Originally posted by DavidBrown View Post

    There is no point in having a communication protocol unless there is OS support. And the only OS used in high speed, high bandwidth systems is Linux. So if someone wants to make faster Ethernet links, it will inevitably need Linux.
    Not true. FreeBSD, Cisco IOS, others... It's true the majority of web servers run Linux, but it's far from the only OS the Internet depends on. In fact, the single source of 30% of the traffic generated on the US Internet comes from Netflix which runs FreeBSD. The Cisco and Juniper carrier grade routers ISPs use run an in-house OS (Cisco IOS - proprietary & JUNOS - reportedly open source but not Linux based)

    Yes, it will eventually need Linux support regardless. But it will also need support from Cisco, Intel, Juniper, AMD, Broadcom, etc etc...

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    • #12
      Originally posted by zexelon View Post
      There are 14 competing standards!! We need one to unify them all!! There are now 15 competing standards...

      That said maybe something interesting will at least come from their research.
      Except this one's backed by all major players.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by M@GOid View Post
        "Puts the newest and best crafted tinfoil hat on"
        Intel just rebranded their entire consumer CPU portfolio to incorporate "Ultra", when nobody understood why. Now this drops in. Coincidence?
        You're making the same mistake most people do dealing with megacorps. Intel isn't a monolithic entity. They also aren't immune to stupid marketing fads like trying to rename everything to some short-sighted overused term that will instantly be confused with hundreds of other brands, products, and standards on the market, trademarks not withstanding.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by stormcrow View Post

          Not true. FreeBSD, Cisco IOS, others... It's true the majority of web servers run Linux, but it's far from the only OS the Internet depends on. In fact, the single source of 30% of the traffic generated on the US Internet comes from Netflix which runs FreeBSD. The Cisco and Juniper carrier grade routers ISPs use run an in-house OS (Cisco IOS - proprietary & JUNOS - reportedly open source but not Linux based)

          Yes, it will eventually need Linux support regardless. But it will also need support from Cisco, Intel, Juniper, AMD, Broadcom, etc etc...
          As I understand it, this is more for HPC than web servers. But it was an exaggeration to say that Linux is the only OS used when you need a lot of network bandwidth.

          Cisco and others like it are infrastructure for networking - of course they have to support any new networking standard, because you'll need switches and routers for it. But usually they would not need support for handling packets or details of such networking at the OS level - they only need to support configuration and control of the hardware that passes the traffic around. You don't want your ultra-fast network packets slowed down by going through software on a switch!

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          • #15
            Originally posted by stormcrow View Post

            Not true. FreeBSD, Cisco IOS, others... It's true the majority of web servers run Linux, but it's far from the only OS the Internet depends on. In fact, the single source of 30% of the traffic generated on the US Internet comes from Netflix which runs FreeBSD. The Cisco and Juniper carrier grade routers ISPs use run an in-house OS (Cisco IOS - proprietary & JUNOS - reportedly open source but not Linux based)

            Yes, it will eventually need Linux support regardless. But it will also need support from Cisco, Intel, Juniper, AMD, Broadcom, etc etc...
            apparently Netflix-like traffic is not the main target of that standard.

            According to their FAQ: "Deliver a complete architecture that optimizes Ethernet for high performance AI and HPC networking​", and Linux is king in that area.

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            • #16
              Guess they will do things like include some RDMA protocol into the base standard, such that there is interoperability between hardware, drivers and so on as well as increase the default frame size or even abandon a sizelimit altogether.

              Wonder why Google is missing from the Consortium, they are pretty involved in network tech / even build there own switch infrastructure and such, for there very large highly meshed clusters.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by stormcrow View Post

                Not true. FreeBSD, Cisco IOS, others... It's true the majority of web servers run Linux, but it's far from the only OS the Internet depends on. In fact, the single source of 30% of the traffic generated on the US Internet comes from Netflix which runs FreeBSD. The Cisco and Juniper carrier grade routers ISPs use run an in-house OS (Cisco IOS - proprietary & JUNOS - reportedly open source but not Linux based)

                Yes, it will eventually need Linux support regardless. But it will also need support from Cisco, Intel, Juniper, AMD, Broadcom, etc etc...
                Cisco carrier grade routes are running IOS-XR which is Linux based since 2013 when they switched from using QNX. Their non-Linux IOS is only used on lower end hardware these days, all their big stuff ruins either IOS-XR or IOS-XE both being Linux based.

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                • #18
                  I remember, in 2007, being laughed at by all the experts for suggestion network companies like Cisco and Juiper run their cheaper offerings on linux to get it field tested and possibly bring their proces down somewhat (or make more profit!)

                  So Cisco changed in 2013. Glad to see I was right!

                  Anyone know if Ubiquiti run their gear on a linux stack?
                  Hi

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by zexelon View Post
                    There are 14 competing standards!! We need one to unify them all!! There are now 15 competing standards...

                    That said maybe something interesting will at least come from their research.
                    Please don't be a moron and read before replying here. The world will be a better place

                    That cognitive and behavior change requires a slow adoption, so here's the relevant text from the UEC website:

                    It is the intention of UEC to fully engage with the relevant SDOs (Standards Development Organizations) to make UEC technology an official element of the broadly deployed family of Ethernet based technologies and products.
                    It is the intention of UEC to fully engage with the relevant SDOs (Standards Development Organizations) to make UEC technology an official element of the broadly deployed family of Ethernet based technologies and products.
                    UEC is organized as part of the Linux Foundation JDF and enjoys the status of an International Standards Organization (ISO). UEC has members that are multinational and are centered outside of the United States. UEC will be open to global participation.
                    We expect the first full standards-based products from 2024.
                    802.3dj standard will be available in 2026 and up to 1.6 Tbit/s. Maybe this effort is to multiplicate that bandwidth and have it available by 2024 at same time, a quite ambitious plan.

                    I really hope everyone adopt binary power of 2 units in computing based in bytes instead stupid bits. 1000 *bits per second is very stupid. I hope Ethernet does the switch in the future too. second in 1024 units in the future too.

                    KILL BASE 10!!! And make BASE 2 MANDATORY UNDER DEATH PENALTY. EVEN TO APPLE.

                    Why? Because it's a psychological lie and a f* mess!

                    1.6 Terabits per second = 200 Gigabytes per second.
                    But 200 Gigabytes per second are 186.23 Gibibytes per second!
                    4 Terabytes are 3.63798 Tebibytes!

                    Computing/telecom industry thinks we are idiots.

                    Meanwhile, in 2021 Japan: Japan Breaks Internet Speed Record at 319 Terabits per Second

                    39.875 Terabytes per second, not so bad. That's 36.2661 Tebibytes per second.

                    186.23 Gibibytes per second are NOT so much for big HPC stuff, for example.

                    I hope you'll learn to be more constructive in the future.

                    Thanks in advance.​
                    Last edited by timofonic; 19 July 2023, 07:13 PM.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by zexelon View Post
                      There are 14 competing standards!! We need one to unify them all!! There are now 15 competing standards...

                      That said maybe something interesting will at least come from their research.

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