Fwupd 1.7.4 Supports More Hardware For Firmware Updating On Linux

[stormcrow]

When are consumer motherboard manufacturers gonna come around and support this

When enough of their consumer grade hardware customers care about it to make it worth their while or some new hire speaks enough C-suite language to convince the upper management it won't cost them extra to do so. The likelihood is pretty remote. Just mentioning you're reporting a bug showing up in Linux is enough for almost every motherboard MFG out there to kill the PR unless you mention it occurs with Windows as well. They'll just tell you they "only support Windows".

So if you want to get the likes of ASROCK, MSI, etc to support Linux you'll have to vote with your wallet. There's no two ways about it. If you want support you'll have to pay for it, just like we're trying to tell big corporations they need to do with FLOSS projects if they want software assurance. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Sonadow]

This is a particular oddity given that a Linux user has most likely a higher probability to be deeply technical

Any braindead person with a good instruction manual can assemble a PC. There is nothing technical about it.

Linux users are more technical. What an epic joke. How many people here can roll their own kernel and out-of-tree drivers?

Hell, Windows builders are way more technical with the batshit amount of overclocking and overvolting they do, along with things like messing about with RAM timings and frequencies.

[jabl]

Any braindead person with a good instruction manual can assemble a PC. There is nothing technical about it.

I agree it's not a particular challenge to anyone with any kind of technical background (like, hey, playing with Lego's as a kid). Then again we have a large fraction of the population who are barely able to operate their TV remote, so...

That being said, I don't think gatekeeping what is supposedly technical and what isn't is particularly fruitful.

Linux users are more technical. What an epic joke.

You don't need to be technical to use Linux these days, but I'd guess technically minded people are more likely to gravitate towards Linux. The large fraction of the population who consider themselves "not computer people" and are only using their computers for basic web browsing, email and maybe gaming are largely absent in the Linux world. That of course doesn't mean that you won't find world class experts in some technical topics who also are Windows users. Heck, likely more of them than Linux users considering the Linux desktop is such a niche thing after all.

Hell, Windows builders are way more technical with the batshit amount of overclocking and overvolting they do, along with things like messing about with RAM timings and frequencies.

What's technical about that? Trying various BIOS settings and checking whether the system is stable enough to boot and run some benchmark program? What skills does that require beyond a commitment to waste your time watching your computer boot? Whoop-de-doo.

See, gatekeeping, not particularly fruitful.

[useless]

Hell, Windows builders are way more technical with the batshit amount of overclocking and overvolting they do, along with things like messing about with RAM timings and frequencies.

Please. Overclocking is nowadays like changing some settings in a game to improve performance.

[Terrablit]

If you go through life thinking that you're a superior person or more skilled because of the decisions you made, you're in for a world of hurt. Our decisions aren't fully logical and we're not deluding anyone when we pretentiously claim such. A lot of what we pick is based on preferences and priorities - not coldly calculated, exhaustive logic. Acting otherwise will only fool ourselves - not others.

Honestly, this kind of paper tiger elitism is the worst part of Linux and BSD. Yes, it's a technical marvel. It's amazing how good it is, and how many people collaborate on it. Many parts of the installation and regular desktop usage still fall into the raging dumpster-fire category. Same with Windows. Some things work really well. Others have been multi-year frustrations that never seem to get any attention. There will always be room for improvement.

When you tell yourself that you made decisions because they were the best decisions possible, you invest yourself in that decision. You feel personally attacked when people disagree. You dig deep into forums and narratives to justify your decisions. You take things out of context, internalizing loose guidelines as unassailable philosophies and life goals. You project your own wants and needs on the landscape and start to attack those who disagree. You start seeing a lack of traction and competing initiatives as a conspiracy, rather than just being people who want different things. You treat everything that you don't personally use at this very moment in time as bloat. Above all, you see this decision as a pivotal decision in the industry - the start of a slippery slope. Meanwhile others couldn't care less - except for the fact that you're really giving them some creepy vibes. Those negative feelings are on you.

In reality, computers are tools. Very useful and flexible tools, but tools. Some people order and make custom tools. Some just buy whatever's available. Some people baby their tools, while others let them rust and replace them. Some have one tool, others have lots of tools. And some people take their work home with them, while others just clock in and out and don't want to spend more of their lives selecting, adjusting or arguing about tools than necessary. Take your hand off the keyboard and mouse. You're still you without a tool in your hand. So your tools aren't what defines you.

It's completely fine to be a casual user. It's also fine to be intensely interested in subjects. But it's not fine to act like your intricate obsession somehow makes you better than someone else. All we have in this world is time, and time is most valuable when we spend it on what we value most. If endless distro and WM hopping and config tweaking brings you joy, that's fine. Go wild. But don't force that need on others by blocking progress and simplification and hate-mailing contributors. And don't act like it's a noble pursuit that makes you better than others. Some people just want to get their work done so that they have more time to spend on other things. They're not better, just different. As are you.

If you want to be accepted for being different, you've got to learn to apply that to others. That means not gatekeeping, and not treating Linux like your little hipster baby that can never grow up and be used by people who don't understand every piece of it. It means GUIs, service integration and consolidation. It means letting corporations package and sell software that works on it without an initial buy-in to open source. It means putting down your paranoid conspiracies and Linux is for Loners attitude and letting it grow to meet the needs of different people.

The kernel and userspace are open source. You will always have the ability to pull it apart and customize it from the ground up. So there's no need to block or oust the people who just want to be casual users. Make room, so that being a Linux user is not a label or a brand, but a thing that everyone does without overthinking it. Normalizing what you do won't make you any less special. Even if it was hard for you being technical in a non-technical world, don't get bitter. Pave the way for the next generation to be technical without having to be outcasts.

Also, if you see someone gatekeeping or attacking other people and organizations for making changes that broaden the reach of Linux and technology in general, call them the fuck out. People need to be informed o how that kind of behavior is bad and that we don't want it around anymore. Be nice if you can, but if you can't, one lost gatekeeper makes room for several more people.

Linux isn't a community, but a resource for building and connecting other communities.

[Azrael5]

the majority of hardware manufacturers avoid to support this initiative in order to speculate by obsolescence and security weakness. Demonstrated by several pieces of beta bios/uefi able to enable new features.

[chrisq]

If you go through life thinking that you're a superior person or more skilled because of the decisions you made, you're in for a world of hurt. Our decisions aren't fully logical and we're not deluding anyone when we pretentiously claim such. A lot of what we pick is based on preferences and priorities - not coldly calculated, exhaustive logic. Acting otherwise will only fool ourselves - not others.

Honestly, this kind of paper tiger elitism is the worst part of Linux and BSD. Yes, it's a technical marvel. It's amazing how good it is, and how many people collaborate on it. Many parts of the installation and regular desktop usage still fall into the raging dumpster-fire category. Same with Windows. Some things work really well. Others have been multi-year frustrations that never seem to get any attention. There will always be room for improvement.

When you tell yourself that you made decisions because they were the best decisions possible, you invest yourself in that decision. You feel personally attacked when people disagree. You dig deep into forums and narratives to justify your decisions. You take things out of context, internalizing loose guidelines as unassailable philosophies and life goals. You project your own wants and needs on the landscape and start to attack those who disagree. You start seeing a lack of traction and competing initiatives as a conspiracy, rather than just being people who want different things. You treat everything that you don't personally use at this very moment in time as bloat. Above all, you see this decision as a pivotal decision in the industry - the start of a slippery slope. Meanwhile others couldn't care less - except for the fact that you're really giving them some creepy vibes. Those negative feelings are on you.

In reality, computers are tools. Very useful and flexible tools, but tools. Some people order and make custom tools. Some just buy whatever's available. Some people baby their tools, while others let them rust and replace them. Some have one tool, others have lots of tools. And some people take their work home with them, while others just clock in and out and don't want to spend more of their lives selecting, adjusting or arguing about tools than necessary. Take your hand off the keyboard and mouse. You're still you without a tool in your hand. So your tools aren't what defines you.

It's completely fine to be a casual user. It's also fine to be intensely interested in subjects. But it's not fine to act like your intricate obsession somehow makes you better than someone else. All we have in this world is time, and time is most valuable when we spend it on what we value most. If endless distro and WM hopping and config tweaking brings you joy, that's fine. Go wild. But don't force that need on others by blocking progress and simplification and hate-mailing contributors. And don't act like it's a noble pursuit that makes you better than others. Some people just want to get their work done so that they have more time to spend on other things. They're not better, just different. As are you.

If you want to be accepted for being different, you've got to learn to apply that to others. That means not gatekeeping, and not treating Linux like your little hipster baby that can never grow up and be used by people who don't understand every piece of it. It means GUIs, service integration and consolidation. It means letting corporations package and sell software that works on it without an initial buy-in to open source. It means putting down your paranoid conspiracies and Linux is for Loners attitude and letting it grow to meet the needs of different people.

The kernel and userspace are open source. You will always have the ability to pull it apart and customize it from the ground up. So there's no need to block or oust the people who just want to be casual users. Make room, so that being a Linux user is not a label or a brand, but a thing that everyone does without overthinking it. Normalizing what you do won't make you any less special. Even if it was hard for you being technical in a non-technical world, don't get bitter. Pave the way for the next generation to be technical without having to be outcasts.

Also, if you see someone gatekeeping or attacking other people and organizations for making changes that broaden the reach of Linux and technology in general, call them the fuck out. People need to be informed o how that kind of behavior is bad and that we don't want it around anymore. Be nice if you can, but if you can't, one lost gatekeeper makes room for several more people.

Linux isn't a community, but a resource for building and connecting other communities.

No one seems to care more than you guy.
What an embarrassingly long wall of text.

[reba]

...

Thank you for the reflection.

[pal666]

FWUPD looks like another attempt to solidify spying binary blobs

moron, firmware is hardware's implementation detail and all your hardware is one large binary blob

IF you want to simply update FW now, you can do it with flashrom.

no, you can't

[pal666]

So if you want to get the likes of ASROCK, MSI, etc to support Linux you'll have to vote with your wallet.

are you suggesting not using computers at all?