Seriously?
I want to know one thing. After all this time, and the lackluster products that have been sold, who is still buying internal creative audio products?
If you want quality in your audio, an external USB device is probably far superior to anything being produced at creative, and if you just want simple audio most boards come with it as an option onboard.
I abandoned creative a very long time ago, and I haven't looked back once. Their "superior quality" is just a delusion of the purchaser, and it always has been. I've personally noticed far interference and noise on generic branded USB adapters- and those adhere to a standard that is pretty well supported in Linux.
The same kind of thing has been going on in Windows land as well. The drivers for Creative products have been abandoned for Vista. When someone started writing open drivers that worked with previous generation products under new operating systems, Creative tried to sue. THAT is the mentality of this company.
To hell with creative and their stupid games. Just throw out your device and chalk it up to a learning experience.
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Basially you can create a dkms package for the OSS driver and it will work with every new kernel (as long as it compiles). ALSA support would be better however, but before you hear nothing...
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Originally posted by Ant P. View PostIf Creative wants to shaft Linux, then shaft them right back! Give people a great, high quality driver... that only supports a single 48kHz output stream. Make their cards look like a joke compared to cards from 1999, because it reflects the rest of that company well.
Like not so long ago with wireless card, pretty much the worst you could do to a newbie is "yeah you can get it working with ndiswrapper and a windows driver binary by custom compilling the source..." Seriously, "No it won't ever work well, buy a brand that works" would be better.
X-Fi = No sound = Loud and clear message = Don't buy for Linux. From what I've understood, most use integrated sound, those that want pro sound don't buy Creative and their primary market is stupid gamers anyway. And those will be running Windows, so why bother?
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If Creative wants to shaft Linux, then shaft them right back!
Give people a great, high quality driver... that only supports a single 48kHz output stream. Make their cards look like a joke compared to cards from 1999, because it reflects the rest of that company well.
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One of the main developers from 4front/OSS4 (Hannu Savolainen) said this in his blog:
SB X-Fi is one of the last new consumer sound cards in the market. It has impressive feature list on paper. Unfortunately the EMU 20k chip is extremely complex. It has dozens of different processing units connected by a freely reconfigurable ring bus. In addition it has a DSP unit that is completely undocumented. Also different X-Fi cards have different peripheral chips connected to the 20k chip. Figuring all that out seems to be something that may take few years of full time work. In addition keeping track of the changes in recent/future card models makes the driver a moving target. The current X-Fi driver of OSS is based on a simple DOS based manufacturing test program provided by Creative. It supports only older card models and limited functionality. Unfortunately this seems to be the best that can be done unless we manage to hire a group of 5-10 sr driver engineers to do the job.Last edited by DanL; 24 March 2009, 01:18 PM.
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Isn't one of the core strengths of open source software supposed to be that unmaintained or legacy code can be given a new lease of life because anyone is free to come along and pick it up?
Sure, Creative aren't actively helping this get fixed, but hasn't releasing the source code that they had enabled the open source community to fix their crap?
Or is fixing their code impossible without further documentation?
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Isn't the code they have released so far enough to make a working driver? If so, why haven't we seen an ALSA driver yet?
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Creative will change their ways when they are entirely and completely alone with their poorly supported hardware. This day is coming soon.
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From his eMail...[...] Try to shout loudly on any (Creative) forums so that they could hear
user's voice... I'm still waiting for any contacts from them.
thanks,
Takashi
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When I bought my new system earlier this year, I didn't know whether to stick with the Realtek ALC888 on my motherboard or buy a Creative X-Fi Titanium (I had a Creative Audigy 2 ZS before and loved it). Well, I chose to stick with the onboard chip and it really was the right decision! Realtek has great driver support!
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