Jon Masters Leaving NUVIA, Returning To Red Hat

[wizard69]

I love how one man's personal preference to return to his former employer sets off all kinds of irrelveant theories and debates. Instead of trying to read between the lines and connect the dots that aren't there, how about just taking the guy at his word and not seeing his decision as some sort of industry microcosm?

It would be nice if you could take corporate statements at face value, but public personnel communications these day is always guarded and non specific. There have simply been too many dirty, at times illegal, statements made by companies related to personnel, that often the only info you can get these days are dates worked. For higher level employees any public statements are often vetted by legal.

[wizard69]

LOL...can ALWAYS count on starSUCKeleven to shitpost his enormous ignorance of tech and silicon trends masked behind arrogance and self perceived knowledge. Much like the present day President of the United States.

Actually I think the president has more reasoning behind his points of view than Mr. starSuck. At the very least the president wants America to meet the challenge of Covid in positive way, the rest of America want people to live in fear.

[wizard69]

And this is where you are wrong, as usual.

As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Having observed more that a few moves like this over the years, it is almost most certainly a case of an individual trying to avoid a steaming heap of crap.

High profile individuals are expensive, and keeping them after their job is done does not give any benefit. So they jump from a company to the next after their work is done.

This is especially true for a startup, that can't waste money if they want to survive. This guy isn't at the scale of the chip design guy that jumped between AMD (and created Ryzen), Tesla, and Apple (and created their ARM cores) among others and will jump again at the end of his current job, but it's still high profile enough to be expensive for a smaller company that isn't even profitable yet.

I wouldn't be surprised to know that there was an arrangement with Red Hat, and they let NUVIA borrow this guy for a while and then take him back at the end.

A company with good relationships with its employees would leave the door open. No secret agreement is needed.

[Jabberwocky]

I love how one man's personal preference to return to his former employer sets off all kinds of irrelveant theories and debates. Instead of trying to read between the lines and connect the dots that aren't there, how about just taking the guy at his word and not seeing his decision as some sort of industry microcosm?

+1 thank you.

[DanL]

I love how one man's personal preference to return to his former employer sets off all kinds of irrelveant theories and debates. Instead of trying to read between the lines and connect the dots that aren't there, how about just taking the guy at his word and not seeing his decision as some sort of industry microcosm?

[milkylainen]

Jon probably realized that Apple's A14 SoC that's coming out in October for the iPhone and iPad and the higher performance version of the A14 for the first ARM powered Macbook would already be 90% of the performance delta of Nuvia's chip at a fraction of the cost.

Plus the future is ARM on Mac and Windows. Jon probably wants to continue helping Red Hat/IBM make ARM the future of Linux which will have a bigger impact that a Silicon Valley "Unicorn" like Nuvia. I wish Nuvia well. The more ARM and its ISA is pushed and refined the better at breaking the ever more stale and rickety x86 hegemony so we can FINALLY get A.I. driven Silicon in our hardware that's BOTH powerful AND power efficient. You're never getting both with x86. Never.

What the hell is "A.I driven Silicon"?

And an ISA has nothing to do with neither powerful or power efficient today.
Atleast for anything resembling a modern CPU atleast.
ISAs has stopped having an effect on power efficiency since... like. 15 years? Atleast.
The front end decode into the macro-opped fused VLIW-whatever backend is more or less the same work for everyone.
The ARM ISA is old as shit and broken, just as x86 is by todays standard. Nobody cares.
Because no one relies on the front end like 25-30 years ago.

CPUs compute power and power efficiency is largely determined by other metrics.
Power consumption, spent transistors, clock frequency and fabrication process.
If you spend x power, y transistors, clock them the same and fabricate them in z process it is going to be more or less the same performance, be it x86 or ARM.
ASIC teams spend budget on constructions are limited. There is no magic sauce because your front end has an ARM acronym.

You can't halve any of these metrics while keeping the other thinking you're going to out-compete everybody else.
5W CPU will never compete with a 100W CPU if spending the same transistors, same fabrication process etc. Something has got to give.
A 5W CPU will be absolutely slaughtered by anything spending 100W in the same fabrication technology.

AMD and Intel CPU's are as different on the inside as Intel vs ARM CPUs or AMD vs ARM cpus on the inside.
The ISA frontend decode work is just a SPECK on the transistor usage budget.

So. ARM can compete on high end servers. But they will be spending the same power as x86 to do so.
And x86 can compete on low end battery devices. But they will be as slow as ARM while doing so.
It's just a question of implementation.

No magic sauce.

[andrei_me]

Now the Slaves are free without Masters /badPun

[chuckula]

I like all the delusional shills on here who think that John Masters abandoning Nuvia right now to go back to Red Hat means that Nuvia "won" and that he's some sort of pro-Nuvia secret agent working inside of Red Hat... yeah that's a great way to end up in prison for industrial espionage. Good to know who the kids living in mom's basement are who've never held a job in the real world.

The fact is that Marvell just took its miraculous arm server chips off the general market and will only push them to custom niches, which might make them some money but is never going to take over the world. Nuvia has lots of powerpoints but no real performance numbers to back them up outside of geekbench.

John Masters leaving Nuvia doesn't mean that ARM in servers is dead but it sure doesn't mean that Nuvia is guaranteed to take over the world... and if it does then Nuvia is boned because Jim Keller -- who has a hell of a better reputation in chip design vs. a software guy like Masters -- left Intel.

[Jumbotron]

Lol if you think an iPhone/Pad device with a 5w tops thermal budget can compete in any way shape or form with a performance chip for servers that has at least 100w if not more, you are an apple fanboi.

NUVIA is making ARM CPUs, how can Linux have a future in ARM if there is no ARM hardware available?
You think Apple will lend their ARM design to anyone? When in the whole history of Apple they did something like that.

Yes, make Silicon Great Again.
What the fuck does "AI-driven silicon" mean? Did you eat a bunch of businness slides to impress management with big words?
So far some specific Arm designs have only barely come to match x86 in performance, and we are talking of Intel chips, not AMD's.

It's far from over, so quit bullshitting with this propaganda.

LOL...can ALWAYS count on starSUCKeleven to shitpost his enormous ignorance of tech and silicon trends masked behind arrogance and self perceived knowledge. Much like the present day President of the United States.

[starshipeleven]

Jon probably realized that Apple's A14 SoC that's coming out in October for the iPhone and iPad and the higher performance version of the A14 for the first ARM powered Macbook would already be 90% of the performance delta of Nuvia's chip at a fraction of the cost.

Lol if you think an iPhone/Pad device with a 5w tops thermal budget can compete in any way shape or form with a performance chip for servers that has at least 100w if not more, you are an apple fanboi.

Plus the future is ARM on Mac and Windows. Jon probably wants to continue helping Red Hat/IBM make ARM the future of Linux which will have a bigger impact that a Silicon Valley "Unicorn" like Nuvia. I wish Nuvia well. The more ARM and its ISA is pushed and refined the better at breaking the ever more stale and rickety x86 hegemony

NUVIA is making ARM CPUs, how can Linux have a future in ARM if there is no ARM hardware available?
You think Apple will lend their ARM design to anyone? When in the whole history of Apple they did something like that.

so we can FINALLY get A.I. driven Silicon in our hardware

Yes, make Silicon Great Again.
What the fuck does "AI-driven silicon" mean? Did you eat a bunch of businness slides to impress management with big words?

that's BOTH powerful AND power efficient. You're never getting both with x86. Never.

So far some specific Arm designs have only barely come to match x86 in performance, and we are talking of Intel chips, not AMD's.

It's far from over, so quit bullshitting with this propaganda.